| 00:00:00 | Kaine, top adviser
to house speaker john boehner,
david winston.
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| 00:00:05 | And plus dick cheney as you
haven't heard him before about
his health, sarah palin,
president obama.
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| 00:00:15 | >> I think he'll be a one term
president.
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| 00:00:19 | >> And sarah palin redefining
blood libel.
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| 00:00:23 | I'm andrea mitchell live in
washington.
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| 00:00:25 | Breaking news right now out of
haiti.
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| 00:00:28 | Former dictator jean-claude
"baby doc" duvalier is in police
custody.
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| 00:00:33 | He made an unexpected return to
the island sunday decades after
it being exassigned.
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| 00:00:38 | He's accused of stealing
hundreds of millions of dollars
from the country's treasury.
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| 00:00:44 | Kerry sanort toe
prince.
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| 00:00:58 | >> Reporter: They're not saying
specifically, but there was a
tremendous a activity throughout
the morning.
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| 00:01:04 | First a few police officers
showed up and hen they were
accompanied.
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| 00:01:11 | They had riot gears on.
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| 00:01:22 | As more arrived and as the just
justice minister arrived an
other officials began to make
their way in, it looked like it
was perhaps turning in to -- i
don't want to call it an arrest,
but it appeared that they had to
go through certain protocol
because of his arrival in this
country.
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| 00:01:49 | As you know, the president of
this country had said previously
that were duvalier ever to
return, he would be arrested.
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| 00:02:00 | Conflicted with that is what the
prime minister has said which is
that duvalier has the right to
return to it this country as any
owe hey shab.
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| 00:02:09 | So after much of that confusion,
duvalier came down the stairs,
he waved to the cameras, he
wasn't in handcuff, he wasn't
with gun point or anything like
that.
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| 00:02:29 | But he came down and then this
slipped out the back, meanwhile
out front, more and more
supporters of baby doc arrived
in the streets here and started
to chant and sing and they were
holding up pictures, all which
is a surprise when you consider
the atrocities that he's
associated with in this country.
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| 00:02:50 | And then he was taken away.
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| 00:02:53 | The car it that he was taken
away in had bulletproof glass.
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| 00:02:55 | I noticed one of the windows
looked like it had been shot.
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| 00:02:59 | That may have been before, but
he drove away and made his way
down to the french embassy.
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| 00:03:06 | Not quite sure what is
going to happen next.
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| 00:03:10 | >> We're seeing amazing video
that is coming in.
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| 00:03:16 | And as you've been pointing out,
there's a generation gap.
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| 00:03:21 | The younger people don't
remember the atrocity, they
don't remember that this man and
his wife are accused of stealing
more than $500 million from the
treasury.
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| 00:03:30 | And so he's returning and as you
point out, there are people
there who don't know the history
of what the duvaliers did to
this country.
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| 00:03:42 | >> Reporter: I think perhaps
it's important to understand 51%
of the population is under the
age of 21.
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| 00:03:51 | Of course they have no memory,
they only have the stories that
their parents have told them.
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| 00:03:55 | And with the life expectancy
here quite frankly a lot of the
people who are young adults now
IN THEIR MID-30s OR 40s DON'T
Really have their parents to
turn to for their stories, so
they just go with what they
believe.
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| 00:04:07 | And a lot of what people tell me
it they believe is anybody,
anybody who thinks that they can
help this country is welcome.
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| 00:04:16 | There is just so much difficulty
here not only because of the
political situation, not only
because of the aftermath of the
earthquake, but because the
economy here even before the
earthquake was not much of an
economy.
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| 00:04:29 | >> Of course there is dispute
over president preval's
re-election and a lot of
political uncertainty, as well.
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| 00:04:37 | Kerry sander, be safe.
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| 00:04:39 | Thanks so much for your
reporting.
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| 00:04:41 | >>> And on capitol hill at this
moment, republicans have been
waiting for this.
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| 00:04:45 | One hour from now, they will be
kicking off their effort to
repeal health care reform p.
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| 00:04:49 | Kelly o'donnell is our capitol
hill correspondent.
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| 00:04:53 | All this breaking news from
haiti, but a lot of news
happening on capitol hill.
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| 00:04:57 | What are you expecting today?
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| 00:04:59 | >> Reporter: What a study in
contrast after the segment from
haiti because here it is sort of
be careful what you sooe say
week, watch your tongue time, on
capitol hill.
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| 00:05:09 | Members of both parties are
saying they will tone down their
rhetoric, but the issue is still
an intense disagreement over
repeal efforts to roll back the
health care reform law.
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| 00:05:20 | Republicans promised they would
do that when they ran the 2010
campaign season, they were able
to take over power largely on
that issue.
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| 00:05:29 | So they will try to deliver by
bringing this to debate and to a
vote on the house side.
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| 00:05:33 | It getting tripped up if it goes
over to the senate because the
makeup is different there,
democrats still in charge, but
one thing we're seeing is a lot
of intense outside input, the
same kinds of groups that were
vocal during the original health
care reform issue are making
their voices known again and
we'll be watching closely to see
how the language on capitol hill
changed in light of all these
new calls for civility.
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| 00:05:57 | >> We'll test that right now
with our next couple of guests.
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| 00:06:00 | Thank you very much, kelly.
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| 00:06:03 | With me now, tim kaine from the
hill.
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| 00:06:08 | Thank you very much.
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| 00:06:11 | Let's talk about why are
democrats thinking that they can
make a second impression or
remake a first impression as
chuck schumer has said on health
care?
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| 00:06:21 | What's the point of the whole
debate?
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| 00:06:23 | Why not go in, get rid of it.
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| 00:06:24 | You know that in the senate and
with the white house veto threat
it's never going to go anyplace
anyway.
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| 00:06:30 | >> I think it's important to
have this debate.
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| 00:06:38 | They're going into their home,
doctors offices and businesses
and taking something away from
them.
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| 00:06:42 | Millions of businesses are
getting a tax credit.
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| 00:06:45 | The repeal effort would take
that away and raise business
taxes.
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| 00:06:48 | Millions of seniors are getting
help with prescription drugs a
and preventive care.
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| 00:06:53 | Republicans would take that
away.
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| 00:06:55 | And tens of millions of
youngsters are able to stay on
family policies until they're
age 26.
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| 00:07:00 | The republicans would take that
away.
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| 00:07:03 | Probably most staggering is the
recent estimate that nearly half
of adults under age 65 have a
condition that could be a
pre-existing condition used
against them by an insurance
company.
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| 00:07:17 | 129 Million americans have
protection under this bill from
pre-existing conditions.
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| 00:07:21 | The republicans want to take
that away.
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| 00:07:22 | And we just want to make plain
what the consequences are and
that's wdemocrats will do.
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| 00:07:29 | >> And you've got another
factor, sarah palin speaking out
on fox with sean hannity and
this was her explanation,
defense, whatever you want to
call it, about her use of the
term blood libel last week.
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| 00:07:43 | >> I don't know how the heck
they would know whether I did or
didn't know the term blood
libel.
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| 00:07:51 | Nobody's ever asked me.
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| 00:07:52 | It obviously means being falsely
accused of having blood on your
hands and in this case that's
exactly what was going on.
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| 00:07:57 | >> Of course that's the way she
terms it, her definite mission.
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| 00:08:00 | There are a lot of groups that
we heard saying that they take
original meaning and too
offense at it.
|
| 00:08:11 | What do you think of sarah
palin's role right now?
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| 00:08:19 | >> I think the explanation was
into the persuasive.
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| 00:08:28 | >> She pointed out the democrats
have used the map in previous
cycles, as well.
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| 00:08:33 | >> But I'm talking about her.
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| 00:08:36 | She said -- her team tried to
say it was surveyor symbols and
they got called down on that.
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| 00:08:41 | I don't think she was persuasive
last night.
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| 00:08:46 | I guess I think that she's
saying her own thing, but it's a
parallel universe to actually
the work that's being done here.
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| 00:08:56 | There's important work on
important policy issues,
entertainment industry
individuals will do their thing,
but the real work here to find
solutions kind of happens
regardless of the rhetoric that
some are trying to get attention
for.
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| 00:09:12 | >> You're referring to sarah
palin as an entertainment
industry official, you don't
think she's a political figure
and a potential presidential
candidate for the other side?
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| 00:09:21 | >> I think people are in this
for a lot of reasons.
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| 00:09:29 | It's a venerable american
tradition.
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| 00:09:32 | But that's not the same as the
people who are actually
governing and doing the job.
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| 00:09:38 | And the people here in
washington working on issues
like health care and tackling
one tough issue after the next,
they're not leaving their post,
they're doing their job.
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| 00:09:50 | >> Ouch.
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| 00:09:51 | Obviously a reference to the
fact that she quit as governor
after two years.
|
| 00:09:55 | Let me also ask you about your
former job as governor and
whether you would consider
running in virginia because
there's talk now that jim webb
is not going to be running for
senate.
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| 00:10:07 | What is the latest that you
know?
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| 00:10:09 | >> Jim is somebody who makes a
decision and when he's made it,
he's announced.
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| 00:10:15 | But I have no reason, none, in
my dealings with the senator to
believe anything else than that
he is going to run again in
2012.
|
| 00:10:23 | >> Has he raised the kind of
money that would indicate to you
that he's gearing up for a
campaign?
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| 00:10:28 | >> I believe just for a variety
of reasons.
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| 00:10:29 | Again, he's not man a
announcement that he's going to
run.
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| 00:10:33 | I worked really hard for jim
webb when I was governor in
virginia.
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| 00:10:41 | His win was a real watershed
moment.
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| 00:10:43 | I'll work every bit as hard for
him in 2012 as I did in 2006.
|
| 00:10:45 | >> And if jim webb does not run,
would you consider that senate
race?
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| 00:10:50 | >> No, I've got a job I really
like right now.
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| 00:10:52 | Tough though it may be.
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| 00:10:53 | And I'm doing what the president
wants me to do.
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| 00:10:55 | I think having been governor of
extra have a, it's hard to top
that.
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| 00:10:59 | And so, no, my full expectation
is that I'm going to be
supporting a great virginia
democrat and I believe that
virginia democrat will be jim
webb for the senate seat.
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| 00:11:08 | >> Okay, we'll have to leave it
there.
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| 00:11:10 | Thank you very much, tim kaine.
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| 00:11:12 | >>> John boehner of course is
now leading the charge to repeal
the health care law.
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| 00:11:16 | With me now is one of his
closest advisers, david winston.
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| 00:11:20 | Thanks so much, good to see you.
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| 00:11:22 | Let's talk about the strategy.
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| 00:11:23 | What are you hoping to
accomplish strategy of repeal
since it is largely symbolic in
the end because the president
has the last word.
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| 00:11:32 | >> I disagree, I don't think it
is largely symbolic.
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| 00:11:35 | What the republicans are trying
to do here and given the fall
campaign in terms of the debate
over health care is say we want
to start over, we want to figure
out where we should go.
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| 00:11:45 | This is the first step to
reengaging the debate in terms
of trying to move health care in
a direction the republicans feel
is a better direction in terms
of the last election.
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| 00:11:56 | So what you'll see is the vote
tomorrow in terms of repeal, but
then the next day hr-9 which is
instructions to all the
committees to begin to think
about what should be replacing
this existing health care bill.
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| 00:12:07 | >> In fact there has been some
criticism that the approach to
repeal precedes replace.
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| 00:12:14 | And you're talking about repeal,
but you're not as republicans
talking about exactly what you
want in place.
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| 00:12:21 | >> The next day we'll pursue
that.
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| 00:12:22 | And there are a variety of ideas
out there.
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| 00:12:25 | There's the ability of being
able to purchase health care
across state lines, there is
liability reform, there is pugt
the cost of the doc fix to bill
at a level that doesn't cost
them money.
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| 00:12:40 | One of the big problems that
exist with the health care bill
is you're putting 32 million
people into a system and you're
not adding one doctor or nurse.
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| 00:12:48 | This is not going to improve the
quaulgt of health care.
|
| 00:12:50 | We need a more comprehensive
approach in terms of how do we
it actually improve the quality
of health care as opposed to
that this is just a process by
which you turn health care over
to more government control and
we don't feel that's the
appropriate approach.
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| 00:13:08 | >> David, when we're talking
about more civility and crossing
bipartisan lines, here we've got
the visit of president hu of
china, arguably the most
important foreign policy
relationship that we have with
any other country outside of the
ongoing wars.
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| 00:13:24 | President hu is coming, there's
a state dinner tomorrow night,
the appearance, the protocol,
the red carpet.
|
| 00:13:31 | The speaker of the house has
regretted he is not going to
attend the president's
invitation.
|
| 00:13:40 | This is what robert gibbs just
said.
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| 00:13:44 | >> I don't know what their
response was in declining the
invitation.
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| 00:13:51 | We have invited, and this goes
to previous state dinners,
invited leaders from both party
its and we hope that because of
the importance of the
relationship that they would
attend.
|
| 00:14:06 | I don't know why he declined on
this occasion.
|
| 00:14:07 | >> John boehner is in line for
the presidency.
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| 00:14:10 | I know he's said that he's going
to be meeting with president hu
on the hill will, but given the
importance of this this, is not
just some backward country.
|
| 00:14:19 | This is china.
|
| 00:14:21 | Why wouldn't john boehner want
to be at the state dinner some.
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| 00:14:28 | >> I think he would.
|
| 00:14:30 | Again, understand as you
defined, he's now the number
three in term of succession.
|
| 00:14:34 | There are lots of
responsibilities and there's
lots of things he has to do.
|
| 00:14:38 | I'm sure he'd like to be there,
but not knowing the notice that
was given to him in terms of how
much time he he had to be able
to rearrange, since he was
already meeting with the prime
minister, my sense is at least
he felt that in this particular
case he had other
responsibilities that he had to
manage.
|
| 00:15:00 | Again, he's someone who has a
very complicated public
schedule, as well.
|
| 00:15:04 | >> Is there anything more
important than spending time
with the leader of china with
the president of the united
states, with the cabinet, with
business leaders?
|
| 00:15:13 | >> I'm not arguing that it's not
an important point, but there
are also really important things
in terms of getting the congress
running, dealing with
unemployment, economic growth,
trying to deal with the fact
that we have a huge national
deficit, tryinto get the
congress ready to deal with
health care particularly in
light of what happened last
week, how do you creates an
atmosphere where could you have
a good political debate.
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| 00:15:37 | That's also very important and
that's his role to help create
that environment.
|
| 00:15:40 | >> And you don't think it's a
personal slap at the president
and the first lady?
|
| 00:15:44 | >> No.
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| 00:15:45 | >> Okay.
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| 00:15:46 | We'll leave it there.
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| 00:15:47 | Thank you very much.
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| 00:15:48 | David winston.
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| 00:15:50 | >>> And up next, dick cheney on
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| 00:19:21 | >>> For the first time since
undergoing major heart surgery,
former vice president dick
cheney is speaking out.
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| 00:19:28 | Cheney opened up about
everything about sarah palin,
his relationship with president
obama, and his health.
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| 00:19:35 | >> Are you thinking about a
heart transplant?
|
| 00:19:37 | >> I haven't made a decision
yet.
|
| 00:19:40 | The technology has gotten better
and better and we've got more
experience of people living with
nology.
|
| 00:19:48 | I'll have to make a decision at
some point, but we haven't
address that had yet.
|
| 00:19:52 | Biggest threats we fails --
>> Reporter: In the meantime
cheney is now back in public and
speaking out.
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| 00:19:57 | >> You said that you thought
that president obama was going
to be a one term president.
|
| 00:20:02 | Do you still?
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| 00:20:02 | >> I do.
|
| 00:20:04 | >> Because?
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| 00:20:04 | >> Well, because I think he
embarked upon a course of action
when he became president that
did not have as much support as
he thought it did.
|
| 00:20:22 | >> Reporter: Cha any side
stepped getting in to the
political fray especially over
his opinion of sarah palin.
|
| 00:20:30 | >> Interested in governor palin
like a lot of people are.
|
| 00:20:36 | I've met her.
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| 00:20:38 | I thought she's got an
interesting political career
established.
|
| 00:20:41 | She's clearly a factor, has a
strong following, she also has a
lot of critics.
|
| 00:20:49 | >> Do you think she's qualified
to be president?
|
| 00:20:53 | >> I'm not going to say this one
isn't or this one is.
|
| 00:20:56 | There will be ample time for
that in the months ahead and
I'll be happy to participate in
that process when the time's
right.
|
| 00:21:01 | >> I understand you want her
reality show, though.
|
| 00:21:04 | >> I do.
|
| 00:21:09 | I think it's very good.
|
| 00:21:10 | I love alaska.
|
| 00:21:10 | >> Reporter: But these days the
former vice president is
spending most of his time
writing his memoirs with
daughter, liz.
|
| 00:21:19 | >> Word is I candid,
blunt, and some scores will be
settled.
|
| 00:21:29 | >> I have a sense I'll get the
last word.
|
| 00:21:32 | >> Where you write about the
president?
|
| 00:21:34 | >> Sure.
|
| 00:21:34 | We had some policy differences
and I'll be forth right with my
comments on those.
|
| 00:21:38 | >> In his memoir, he said about
you ten years later, I've never
regretted my decision to run
with dick cheney.
|
| 00:21:46 | But he also writes that you
offered and he considered
dropping you from the ticket.
|
| 00:21:53 | And he says, quote, he's become
a lightning rod for criticism,
he was seen as dark and
heartless, the darth vader of
the administration.
|
| 00:22:03 | First of all, why did you offer
to step aside?
|
| 00:22:07 | >> Well, I actually went in
about three different times
because I didn't think he took
me seriously the first time.
|
| 00:22:16 | And the reason I did it was i
thought he needed to have the
ability to do whatever was
necessary to make sure he won.
|
| 00:22:24 | So I went to him and said, look,
president, I've taken a lot
of incoming fire, it goes with
the turf, but if you have any
desire to make a change here,
I'll be perfectly happy to step
aside so you can put somebody
else in this job.
|
| 00:22:39 | And after I went in about the
third time and reiterated that,
then he went away, thought about
it for a couple of weeks and
came back and said, no, you're
my guy.
|
| 00:22:50 | >> You're my guy.
|
| 00:22:52 | Amazing stuff.
|
| 00:22:54 | Jamie, that was extraordinary.
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| 00:22:55 | >> Thanks.
|
| 00:22:56 | >> First of all, sarah palin,
that was hardly a huge
endorsement.
|
| 00:23:00 | He's willing to talk about other
things but about that, he's not
going to become engaged.
|
| 00:23:05 | I got the sense that it this man
who is so dedicated, whether you
like him or not, to national
security issues really doesn't
think that she is up to the task
on that agenda.
|
| 00:23:17 | >> In general he didn't want to
talk about 2012, but he
absolutely side stepped sarah
palin.
|
| 00:23:24 | And I don't know what he really
thinks, but in my experience,
when alimentary to say, they don't
hesitate to say it.
|
| 00:23:34 | So the fact that he's not saying
anything at all leads one to
believe --
>> certain the commander in
chief issue, since that is so
central to everything that he
cared about, that was his
explanation for a lot of very
controversial decisions that he
in fact feels vindicated about
on the subject of the war on
terror.
|
| 00:23:53 | >> Right.
|
| 00:23:54 | And when they were in office and
McCAIN MADE THE ANNOUNCEMENT,
There have been reports already
that they did not I think that
she was a good choice, that she
did not have tellectual
heft for it.
|
| 00:24:14 | >> He made a lot of news by
saying he went back three times
with his offer to resign.
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| 00:24:18 | >> Tha.
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| 00:24:23 | Apparently he really wanted to
make sure the president
considered this.
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| 00:24:26 | We heard in the president's book
that dick cheney made the offer
once and he took a couple of
weeks to think about it.
|
| 00:24:33 | This is a little different slant
on the story now that we know
that he asked over and over and
over again.
|
| 00:24:40 | And I think he said I'll get the
last word on my book.
|
| 00:24:44 | President obama's book has come
out, donald rumsfeld's book is
coming out.
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| 00:24:52 | But former vice president
cheney's book is not expected
out until the end of the summer,
early september.
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| 00:24:57 | He will have the last word.
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| 00:24:58 | So on some of these different
counts, you'll now get his take
on it.
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| 00:25:04 | >> Fascinating stuff.
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| 00:25:05 | Everyone is commenting on how
thin he look, but his color
looks good, he seems to be
functioning right well with this
unusual heart pump.
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| 00:25:13 | >> I think he actually looks
very good if you look back at
the presidential library ground
breaking in texas, he was very,
very thin.
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| 00:25:24 | He lost 25, 30 pounds during
surgery.
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| 00:25:28 | So he's looking better and
better, no question about it.
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| 00:25:32 | >> Thanks.
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| 00:28:55 | It could be a prime opportunity
for republicans to pick up a
seat.
|
| 00:28:58 | We should note that as I say
msnbc contributor was the first
to break it.
|
| 00:29:08 | David kennedy's national
politics reporter is joining us
now.
|
| 00:29:11 | What's the impact of kent
conrad?
|
| 00:29:14 | He's not just a number.
|
| 00:29:15 | He's also a chief deficit hawk
from the budget committee.
|
| 00:29:19 | So this is a pretty big impact
on how the senate will operate.
|
| 00:29:23 | >> Right, that's what he said in
his comments.
|
| 00:29:25 | He went on a radio show in north
dakota and said he wanted to
focus on policy for the next two
years and on reducing the
deficit and he said traveling
around the country, having to
raise money, constantly fending
off attacks would distract him
from doing that.
|
| 00:29:42 | But of course there's always
political implications and
political considerations here.
|
| 00:29:47 | And he did say that having lost
senator byron dorgan to
retirement and senapomeroy,
not wo there also
weighed on his decision.
|
| 00:30:02 | >> And looking ahead, it looks
that tlicans
whd already announced a
nge to kentconrad havean
expand
whom are you looking at from the
mocratic side?
|
| 00:30:13 | >> The republicans have a very
deep bench in north dakota.
|
| 00:30:22 | I was told the problem will be
trying to fund raise for
governor's race, a congressional
race and a
seat and find competitive
candidates.
|
| 00:30:30 | Of course you have to to
former attorney general heidi
hidecamp, but she appears to
want to run for governor.
|
| 00:30:40 | And then congressman earl
pomeroy said he just moved to
washington to become a health
care lobbyist.
|
| 00:30:50 | >> Okay, thank you very much for
all of that.
|
| 00:30:52 | Meanwhile, china's president hu
arrives in washington this
afternoon.
|
| 00:30:59 | There will be a private dinner
with the president and all the
fanfare of a state dinner the
next night.
|
| 00:31:03 | At the same time the white house
is trying to take a more
assertive strategy with top
cabinet members challenging
china's stance on currency on
trade, military and human rights
affairs.
|
| 00:31:14 | William cohen, chairman of the
cohen group, knows china well
from a military standpoint,
strategic standpoint.
|
| 00:31:21 | What is the most important
challenge that we face right now
from china?
|
| 00:31:24 | >> The most important thing that
we need to do is set up a regime
whereby we can have a measure of
trust and openness.
|
| 00:31:32 | Right now the relationship is
characterized by mistrust.
|
| 00:31:36 | Will there's a sense of
apprehension about what the
chinese military is doing.
|
| 00:31:44 | It's quite opaque and more
transparency needs to be
achieved.
|
| 00:31:50 | So this entire relationship is
undergoing a reevaluation.
|
| 00:31:55 | Just last june, bob gates,
secretary gates, his trip it
china was canceled.
|
| 00:32:00 | The chinese canceled it because
they didn't like the arm sales
going taiwan.
|
| 00:32:05 | The fallout was seen both this
china and united states as
widening the gulf between our
two countries.
|
| 00:32:12 | So this is an effort to put
things back where we can talk to
each other and then articulate
what our respect of it interests
are and see about if we can have
some way of working together.
|
| 00:32:25 | >> Gates then did go to china
the week before last and it was
not a very successful trip and
in fact there were very
interesting signals because
president hu didn't seem to know
that his own military had tested
stealth bomber.
|
| 00:32:41 | How is that possible that he'd
not know they had this new
technology?
|
| 00:32:46 | >> It's interesting about four
years ago, wroi a novel in which
I had an incident take place in
the northwestern part of china
dealing with the nuclear
explosiin which the chinese
president didn't have any
knowledge of what was going on
and I wrote it because of the
growing perception that the
chinese military was getting
more power.
|
| 00:33:12 | >> Does president hu have the
power or does the military, do
they have the real power?
|
| 00:33:18 | >> Power has been dispersed
somewhat.
|
| 00:33:23 | President h will u doesn't have
the same power.
|
| 00:33:30 | He's sitting at a time when
there's growing economic power
and much less political power
that's concentrated in his
office.
|
| 00:33:35 | So I think that's one of the
reasons how he could have been
surprised that his military was
conducting a test that was
basically designed to embarrass
secretary gates.
|
| 00:33:45 | The timing of was.
|
| 00:33:46 | >> And do we have to worry that
china holds so much of our debt?
|
| 00:33:49 | >> I think we have to worry
about the size of our debt,
indeed that china holds so much
of it and that'syou're
seeing an effort to got our
house in it order to maintain a
strategic balance throughout the
world and our currency and the
viability of that currency is
important for them.
|
| 00:34:08 | >> Thank you very much, william
cohen from the cohen group.
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| 00:37:34 | Officials say there is a 20%
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| 00:37:47 | >>> Doctors say that congress
woman gabrielle giffords may be
days or weeks away from leaving
the hospital and she continues
to recover from the gunshot
wound to the head.
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| 00:37:52 | Medical staff are still watching
to see whether giffords' speech
will return.
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| 00:37:56 | >>> More chaos on the streets of
tunisia.
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| 00:38:03 | Trouble is already brewing
within the new coalition
government there.
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| 00:38:07 | The president and prime minister
resigned from the ruling party
today while maintaitheir
positions in the coalition.
|
| 00:38:14 | The government was forred only
yesterday after the dictator
fled amid protests over high
unemployment, government
corruption and oppression.
|
| 00:38:22 | >>> Apple's fourth quarter
earnings reports comes out this
afternoon a after steve jobs
announced he's taking another
medical leave.
|
| 00:38:33 | >>> Bill clinton is in chicago
today helping rally support for
his former aide, rahm emanuel,
in the bid for chicago mayor.
|
| 00:38:47 | His departure has created just
one of many new staff openings.
|
| 00:38:55 | The president has a new white
house team signaling a new
approach to congress.
|
| 00:39:00 | Michael shearer is with us.
|
| 00:39:02 | Let's talk about your cover
stoestory and the whole
change of the white house staff,
what that really means.
|
| 00:39:10 | Bill daley and the people he
will bring in with him and the
openings that still exist.
|
| 00:39:14 | The new press secretary
appointment that we're all
waiting for, all signaling a
change in strategy.
|
| 00:39:18 | >> It's definitely a change.
|
| 00:39:21 | It's a changbrought
outside who is as close to the
inside as possible.
|
| 00:39:28 | Bill daley not part of the true
believer campaign, but he's
mentored both ram quu manual and
david axelrod, so he's not
unknown either.
|
| 00:39:39 | >> He's from chicago, but at the
same time, has a former commerce
secretary connections to
business, connections to banking
community which of course led to
some criticism on the left.
|
| 00:39:51 | But he's known as a political
figure.
|
| 00:39:54 | He knows how on for reelect
people.
|
| 00:39:57 | >> The white house said there
were three I think things that
daley was bringing.
|
| 00:40:02 | First he would deal with the
issue of the reputation for
being too in-bred and insular.
|
| 00:40:07 | The same four or five people
always in the room, same people
that were there with the
campaign, so he's a new face.
|
| 00:40:13 | Second, he does have an ability
on talk directly with the
business community.
|
| 00:40:16 | The white house has made that a
real priority of the second two
years to reach out to the
business community, you see the
op-ed in the "wall street
journal" today doing that.
|
| 00:40:24 | And the third thing is he's
someone who can go on tv and be
a surrogate for the president.
|
| 00:40:29 | One thing that the white house
was constantly frustrated with
is they didn't have enough
surrogates to go on, do the tv
sunday shows that weren't the
president, so the president was
out there too much.
|
| 00:40:39 | And that led to a lot of
criticism that he wasn't-
>> I've never understood why
they don't use the very
-
>> I've never understood why
they don't use the very
-
>> I've never understood why
they don't use the very
excellent cabinet team.
|
| 00:40:55 | The other thing is bruce reed
who comes from the whole
centrist and deficit cutting
background as the executive
director of the deficit
commission.
|
| 00:41:05 | That signals also a turn in
direction.
|
| 00:41:07 | >> You look at the first two
years, it was working with
democrats in congress.
|
| 00:41:13 | The second two years will be
negotiating with republicans.
|
| 00:41:15 | And bruce reed is someone who
has done that, they call it
triangulation.
|
| 00:41:23 | He's done the work before, he
has a reputation among
republicans and be able to be
that person.
|
| 00:41:26 | >> And why the hold up on the
replacement for robert gibbs?
|
| 00:41:30 | >> The way they explained it to
me is that gibbs told the
president shortly before
christmas, that they wanted to
bring daley into place first.
|
| 00:41:42 | Plouffe is leading the process.
|
| 00:41:45 | I was surprised, too they didn't
have that lined up.
|
| 00:41:46 | It wasn't hard to see that gibbs
would be rotating out, but they
expect to have a new name by the
end of the month.
|
| 00:41:54 | >> To be continued.
|
| 00:41:56 | We'll have have to see whether
it will be male, female --
>> an insider, someone from the
past.
|
| 00:42:03 | Could be a lot of things.
|
| 00:42:04 | >> Thank you very much.
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| 00:45:23 | >>> The president's call for
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when the vote gets taken this
afternoon on the health care
bill.
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| 00:45:38 | You've changed the seating at
the state of the union?
|
| 00:45:41 | >> You have to have something to
tell your mom you're actually
doing with your career.
|
| 00:45:44 | >> What are we going to do if we
don't have this wave?
|
| 00:45:47 | It looks like a football stadium
half the time.
|
| 00:45:50 | >> It's very clear that politics
are part substance and part
symbols and the substance is
ultimately what matter, but the
symbols matter, too.
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| 00:45:59 | And every year americans watch
this spectacle of both parties
coming together, sitting like
kids, boys on one side, girls on
the other, as if that's actually
representative of how the
business should be done.
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| 00:46:15 | We said very simpend the part
say seating.
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| 00:46:20 | Show the country a simple idea
that you're of different parties
and you have substantial
disagreements, but ultimately
you're united serving the
country.
|
| 00:46:28 | >> What do you say to those who
say this is just symbolic,
there's still shrugging it out
at committee hearing, you still
have president releases coming
out and hammering the president
and vice versa from the
democrats to the republicans.
|
| 00:46:39 | So nothing's really changing.
|
| 00:46:42 | >> We say this.
|
| 00:46:44 | This is not a panacea.
|
| 00:46:46 | In fact, no symbolism is a
panacea.
|
| 00:46:48 | But forcing people to actually
sit together instead of by their
parties sends a very strong
message to the country that they
actually are willing to
transcend their partisan
differences.
|
| 00:46:59 | And by the way it's a silly
tradition.
|
| 00:47:01 | And you can see that because
first senator mark udall said he
would do it.
|
| 00:47:09 | And then the wave started.
|
| 00:47:10 | And senator schumer and senator
COBURN AND senator McCain and
folks in the house and senate,
steny hoyer and so on, they're
doing it not because it's going
to fix everything, but it's a
silly tradition, it's time for
it end even for one night.
|
| 00:47:32 | .
|
| 00:47:34 | >> After the state of the union,
what is the long term goal?
|
| 00:47:37 | Are you trying to create a third
party, are you trying to talk
mike bloomberg into running?
|
| 00:47:42 | >> Third wave is about five
years old and we're a moderate
group traditionally associated
with the centrist democratic
wing.
|
| 00:47:54 | Bill daley was our board member
right before he left.
|
| 00:47:57 | Our view is we seek to advance
moderate policy and political
agenda.
|
| 00:48:03 | This idea about changing the
partisan seating is just one of
the small ideas we have.
|
| 00:48:13 | But our objective here is very
simple.
|
| 00:48:17 | Can we actually show on the one
night, the super bowl of
american politics, when everyone
american who is interested and
tunes in, can we show that our
politicians care more about
service to the country than they
did about sitting with members
their party.
|
| 00:48:35 | >> It's a first step.
|
| 00:48:36 | Thank you very much.
|
| 00:48:37 | We'll see you maybe after the
fact and review the tapes.
|
| 00:48:40 | >>> And what political story
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the nex.
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| 00:52:07 | Congratulations on breaking the
kent conrad story.
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| 00:52:10 | Another announcement.
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| 00:52:12 | Joe lieberman will announce
tomorrow what his plans are for
re-election.
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| 00:52:16 | Do you think he's going to be
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| 00:52:35 | He came back, ran as independent
and won re-election.
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| 00:52:38 | I don't think he can win
re-election as a democrat.
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| 00:52:42 | Now, I think, and he said this
on your show, I think this best
option is to run as independent.
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| 00:52:47 | The people I talked to say he's
genuinely undecided.
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| 00:52:52 | We expect an announcement
tomorrow on whether he runs or
not.
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| 00:52:56 | I don't know.
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| 00:52:57 | I haven't done enough reporting
around it.
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| 00:52:59 | But as a connecticut nate inand
political junkie, fascinated to
hear what he has to say.
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| 00:53:10 | >> The point is that, we don't
know whether he's announcing
that he's leave organize that
he's going to run as
independent, republican,
democrat.
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| 00:53:18 | Whom is he going to caucus with.
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| 00:53:20 | >> You know, you make a good
point.
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| 00:53:22 | You make a really good point.
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| 00:53:24 | When an incumbent senator says
they're going to make an
announcement about their
political future, it's either
they're running or not running.
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| 00:53:34 | It's a more varied decision, he
could run as independent,
republican, democrat, or choose
not to run.
|
| 00:53:39 | You know, you've got four
options as opposed to two.
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| 00:53:44 | >> According to the wires, dick
lugar, another veteran, is going
to run in 2012.
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| 00:53:50 | Announcements are coming fast
and furious.
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| 00:53:54 | Lieberman, the news conference
scheduled within five minutes
ago.
|
| 00:53:57 | We have not done the reporting.
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| 00:53:58 | I expect we will be online,
learning whether you've broken
it or I or somebody else.
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| 00:54:04 | >> We'll be trying.
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| 00:54:05 | >> China tomorrow.
|
| 00:54:07 | President hu arriving in a
couple of hours at andrews air
force base.
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| 00:54:10 | The vice president of the united
states greeting him.
|
| 00:54:13 | This is not a small deal.
|
| 00:54:14 | A greeting from the vice
president a private dinner in
the old family dining room
tonight.
|
| 00:54:20 | State visit and dinner tomorrow,
news conference with the
president, which we will be
carrying live.
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| 00:54:27 | Also meetings jointly with the
president and the business
community.
|
| 00:54:30 | This is the most important
relationship that we have.
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| 00:54:33 | >> Absolutely.
|
| 00:54:34 | You know what?
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| 00:54:36 | You hit on it.
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| 00:54:37 | Official state visit.
|
| 00:54:39 | When president hu came in 2006,
bush had lunch with him.
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| 00:54:44 | The vice president did not greet
him at his plane, he did not
have a news conference, there
was no state dinner.
|
| 00:54:51 | This is a formal, big welcoming
of president hu.
|
| 00:54:54 | Two interesting, competing
factors china's influence on the
global economy, important to the
united states and their record
on human rights, a problem, how
much does president obama
address it?
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| 00:55:05 | Does he talk openly about it?
|
| 00:55:07 | We guess he would talk prooftly
about it.
|
| 00:55:11 | Two competing factors, economy
and human rights record,
impossible for the united states
and president obama to ignore.
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| 00:55:18 | >> And the importance they play
toward north korea and iran.
|
| 00:55:21 | A lot of issues on the agenda
tomorrow.
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| 00:55:23 | Thank you, chris.
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| 00:55:24 | That does it for us for this
edition of "andrea mitchell
"
tomorrow on the show, we'll have
special, live coverage of
president obama's join news
conference with china's
president hu.
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