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00:00:00Injury that could keep him out >> got him.
00:00:06>> With the batting average 240 number which represents the millions he's guaranteed, this could be onf the worst contracts in baseball.
00:00:15It could also represent one of the best decisions the cardinals ve ever made.
00:00:19>> The pitch.
00:00:20A swing and high fly ball, left field.
00:00:24Three-run blast and the cardinals have opened it up.
00:00:27>> Sits parting ways with louis hasn't skipped a beat.
00:00:31They currently have the best record in baseball with the young roster of talent poised to there.
00:00:38Today on "outside the lines," we examine a deal that could define t franchises for years to come.
00:00:47Oning made possible by ] captioned by the national captioning institute org-- >> and now sitting in for bob ley, steve weissman.
00:00:57>> With alex rodriguez under a cloud while he waits for the penalties to come down in major league baseball's latest p.e.d.
00:01:05Investigation, the contract he signed in 2007 has been called the worst in baseball history.
00:01:09The yankees, after all, were paying on the promise that a-rod was going to pass barry bonds and become the clean home run king.
00:01:17How's that working out?
00:01:18As bad as that deal was, the one the angels gave pujols could be worse.
00:01:23Pujols, in only the second of a 10-year deal just landed on the , and his season may be over.
00:01:29At least the yankees got one world series ring with a-rod.
00:01:32You can wonder what pujols has left to give a.l.
00:01:35 louis, pujols with an 420 and slugged 617.
00:01:44248 with a on-base percentage 100 points lower and a slugging number down.
00:01:53His batting average is down the fifth straight season and lower than the top six hitters in the cardinals lineup last night.
00:02:00In this season the angels owe pujols $212 million.
00:02:04Over the final seasons of the deal when pujols goes from age 37 to 41, his salary averages $28 million.
00:02:12 owes pujols another $10 million in a personal services contract that begins after his retirement, meaning it's really a $250 million deal with incentives that could push it even higher.
00:02:23That brings us to today's twitter question, is albert pujols' contract the worst in mlb history.
00:02:31Use the #pujolscontract and send your responses to olt on espn and we'll air the best ones throughout the show.
00:02:39It's time to welcome our panel of guests, espn baseball insider tim kurkjian who is covering tonight's angels-rangers game on espn.
00:02:48com columnist ramona shelburne and brian burwell, and mike dajiava, the beat writer for the l.a. times.
00:03:02Pujols could return and be the player he once was but as it stands, how bad does this deal look now?
00:03:08>> It's two years in and if you're hosting sports radio in los angeles, it doesn't look good at all, it's your entire show today.
00:03:16But honestly, I think we're just two years in and think that this deal, as bad as it looks right now, it's not going to be as bad as the a-rod deal because albert pujols is a clean player.
00:03:27He's been a nice influence in that clubhouse.
00:03:29The angels don't have the expectations or the fan base the yankees have and if it doesn't work out, it doesn't work out.
00:03:35But this isn't a pressure cooker here in los angeles that it is over in new york.
00:03:39Now, I will say this, when albert pujols did this, I'm one of those who said what a great signing this was for the angels, a potentially franchise-defining field and they finally went out and landed the big fish.
00:03:52I'm not really happy I wrote that now.
00:03:54>> And brian, you were on the other side of this writing why are the cardinals getting rid of pujols.
00:03:59What do you think now?
00:04:00>> I don't remember writing that.
00:04:02I wrote that?
00:04:03Are you sure?
00:04:06Yeah, I did write that.
00:04:07Look, they came out on the end of this deal right now looking very good because the money that they didn't spend on pujols, they were able to spend on a wide swath of core players, upgrade the youngplayers' contracts and have money left over to continue to make deals.
00:04:25But I'm in agreement with ramona here, we're only two years in and the best thing that really happened to albert pujols, believe it or not, is forcing him to take time off and get this thing fixed because albert is one of those soldiers, man, he's going to play, he's going to play, he's going to play regardless of what his body is telling him.
00:04:47Now his body has just told him, ok, you can't play, so we're still not -- we're still a ways away from determining who won this deal.
00:04:58>> Tim, money aside, why would you give a player in his 30's a 10-year deal?
00:05:02>> That's a good question, steve, but in the end they gave it to him because at the time at least he was on his way to being perhaps the greatest first baseman of all time, passing even the great lou gehrig.
00:05:16And he was the last piece, at least it seemed to me and others, that the angels needed in order to start to make the playoffs and maybe win the world series again.
00:05:25And I know the angels looked at it this way, hey, if we can win a couple world series early with albert pujols in the first three or four years, even if we have to take a bath at the end of this, we're going to really get great production out of him early, and yet that hasn't happened yet, and if you look at those numbers, steve, you've seen them go down every single year from 2009 on and really all the important major offensive categories.
00:05:53And the fact that he led the in 2008, in 2009, and now he's 71st in , that just shows you how far he's dropped.
00:06:03Of course, the injuries had something to do with that this year.
00:06:06>> He's been able to produce while injured before.
00:06:09What's the main reason the production has dropped off at this point?
00:06:12>> Well, you can point directly to the injuries, you know, getting back to your contract question, they're only two years into this and I don't think anybody in the angels front office and certainly the fans in anaheim feel like they've seen the real albert pujols yet.
00:06:28They saw it for bits and pieces for last season but then he played the last six weeks, two months with an injured knee that needed surgery, and he's played this whole season with the planter fasciitis, which you've ever had, I actually had it about 10 years ago, tim salmon played with it in 1998 and likened it to playing with a nail in your heel.
00:06:49This is a really painful injury.
00:06:53And you look at his numbers, he's on pace to knock in 100 runs this year, and granted his average and on-base and slugging are at historical lows but he still has produced more than what you would expect from a guy who has been hobbled all year by a really major injury, and to echo what bryan was saying, yeah, I think this was the best thing in the big picture for the angels and for albert because, you know, they weren't going anywhere with him in the lineup this year.
00:07:18They're out of it.
00:07:20And this will give them a two-month head start on his recovery and by tearing the planter fascia, he accomplished what surgery would have done.
00:07:30>> Bryan, that said, mike scioscia said this injury has been going on six or seven years.
00:07:35What did the cardinals know about it?
00:07:38>> Albert has had bumps and bruises, aches and pains a lot of the -- I'd say the last five or six years he was with the cardinals.
00:07:48There was always something wrong, but he always found a way to get through it.
00:07:51He would have these little slumps, but for albert, you know, he would slump for a few weeks and then somebody would write something bad about him having a slump and he'd go on a tear over the next 15 games.
00:08:06So you just said that's albert, he's going to find a way to do it.
00:08:10But again, this is the best thing for him.
00:08:13Get him away from the game, stop and force his body to do things it shouldn't be doing and get yourself 100% healed so we can see the real albert pujols again, because you're right, we haven't seen him in two years, maybe three.
00:08:30 louis also offered him a $10-year deal, much less than the angels but had the length of the contract.
00:08:38Why do you think they did it and would they still do it now?
00:08:41>> Well, what the cardinals thought at least at the time was we're not going over $200 million for albert and we're not going over seven years for albert because we just can't.
00:08:51We can't do that with our finances.
00:08:54As bryan said, this allowed them to sign yadier molina long term, and he's having an m.v.p.
00:09:00Year.
00:09:01It allowed them to sign adam wainwright long term.
00:09:05He is the best pitcher on their team easily and one of the best pitchers in the game.
00:09:09They also have to create some room for allen craig who's got 's this year and they have to find a spot eventually for matt adams who is going to be their first baseman, at least from where i can see, next year.
00:09:22This is typical cardinals.
00:09:23They're really smarter than most teams and they looked at it and said we'd love to have albert back but it's got to be at our price range.
00:09:30If he doesn't agree to it, we have a bunch of other options and a lot of those options have really worked out so far.
00:09:38>> They would have had a heart attack if he had accepted that five-year deal at $25 million and gone oh, god, I don't believe he took it.
00:09:48>> Ramona, pujols came in with a ton of fanfare and one of the wilson and josh hamilton ended up going to the angels.
00:09:55What's the feeling in l.a.
00:09:56Right now about albert pujols?
00:09:58>> Honestly, the angels are the type of team, when they're winning, everyone jumps onboard the bandwagon.
00:10:05When they're losing, you ignore them because it's a long drive to get to anaheim and if they're not winning, why drive down there, other than the fact pujols is out for the season and josh hamilton so far has been a bust, people just ignore them.
00:10:19It's sort of -- that's what happens when you're the angels and that's why at the time they signed him I thought was a huge move because at that point the dodgers had not been sold yet, they weren't spending money on anybody and this was potentially a game changer because the angels finally went out and got one of those big name free agents.
00:10:37They missed on carl crawford and let mark teixeira go at the time and they finally went out and got a big fish, the biggest fish in all the land and thought this would be the guy to break all the home run records, all of baseball's most hallowed records in an angel uniform.
00:10:50I still think he might.
00:10:52I'm kind of saying this is two years in and I still think he's got a lot left.
00:10:59, it's call me when you're good again.
00:11:02Call me when you're back.
00:11:03 as a big market compared to st.
00:11:09Louis which was albert's comfort zone.
00:11:11Is it not a big market?
00:11:12 louis or could it be pujols isn't a big market guy?
00:11:17>> Honestly, it's anaheim.
00:11:19Anaheim is an hour from los angeles in traffic, and people get excited about going to see a winner.
00:11:26You get excited about going to see stars like mike trout.
00:11:29Albert came to town and didn't really embrace -- I don't think he had a big personality and he's not a sizzling type of player.
00:11:36You notice him over the long haul, you can talk to everyone louis who you have on the pan here but you appreciate albert over time.
00:11:43He's a machine.
00:11:45's every single year and delivers in the clutch.
00:11:49There's been no clutch to deliver in since he got here, so, ok, mostly focus on mike trout and everything else the angels have done but albert sort of has been a nonfactor since he got here.
00:12:02>> Mike, you mentioned the injuries as a reason the production has gone down, between 2001-2011, 20% of pujols' fly balls went out of the ballpark for home runs but that number has been cut in half this year and last year he hit 30 home runs and that percentage was down to 14%.
00:12:18Why the loss of power?
00:12:20>> We wrote a lot about this last april when he was really slumping, and it was his first time in the so-called marine layer in angels stadium which a lot of pitchers will tell you they love pitching there early in the season and late in the season and a lot of hitters, fly balls they think are out and you can see by their reaction, they die on the warning track and that's a little bit of it.
00:12:43But it truly gets back to these injuries.
00:12:46Albert is a power hitter, always has relied on his lower body strength and you got a right knee that's surgically repaired and planter fasciitis in the left heel.
00:12:59At one time or the other, each of those was hurt and he was compensating for the other and probably getting into some bad habits.
00:13:07And it's going to zap your power when you're playing with those lower body injuries.
00:13:11So I think it's going to be really interesting to see how he comes into spring training next year and the shape he's in.
00:13:19I think his motivation will be off the charts because it's been two years here and they haven't even had a sniff of the playoffs.
00:13:26>> Bryan, you've seen it before, though, you've seen him play through injuries.
00:13:30He was injured in his time in louis and still put up huge numbers.
00:13:34 with the same injuries basically?
00:13:37>> Well, I think it was already touched on, the fact that, you know, you've got a bad knee, you've got a bad foot, you can't do the things that you normally would do, and one of the things albert has done when it's not working is he does press, he then becomes the hitter he never has been which is he swings at things out of the strike zone.
00:14:00He swings at pitches he normally would never swing at because he's pressing.
00:14:06Again, let's wait and see this guy come back 100% healthy.
00:14:10If I know albert, he'll come back next spring training 100% in shape, 100% healthy, and you're probably going to see the machine again.
00:14:20To what extent, I don't know.
00:14:22But I'm not counting the guy out.
00:14:25I'm not betting against him.
00:14:26>> Tim, what if anything do you see that would lead you to believe that pujols will be the louis again?
00:14:34>> Well, it will be difficult to be that player, steve, because no player in major league history has ever had a first 10 years of a career better than albert pujols.
00:14:44And we have to be careful not to compare him to the guy of eight years ago when he was by far the best hitter in the game.
00:14:53But bryan burwell is right about this, this guy is so maniacal about his preparation and his pride of being a great player.
00:15:00I know it affects him when he's not doing well.
00:15:03He takes it home with him and he's not in the same comfort level in anaheim that he was in st. louis.
00:15:08But he is still a really, really, really good hitter.
00:15:12And I talked to many hitters over the years, including lance berkman right here in texas who have explained when your knee is bothering you and your legs aren't under you, especially your feet, you're just not going to be a productive hitter.
00:15:25And the thought albert pujols is going to come back next year 260 again, it is not going to happen.
00:15:32He's way too good for that.
00:15:33He may not be the pujols of 2003, but he's going to be a benefit in the cards in letting him go?
00:15:53>> It opened things up.
00:15:55Now you can play adam, you can play craig, you can play a lot of these bats that they have.
00:16:04And don't forget, they still have to -- then they move craig to the outfield but they still have a kid down in the minor leagues, tavaris, who they already said is the best pure hitter they've seen in their organization since a young albert pujols.
00:16:19So albert leaving has opened things up and allowed them to get some of these younger bats, these effective bats into the lineup on a regular basis.
00:16:29>> Tim, pujols leaves the cardinals, they get better.
00:16:31He joins the angels, they get worse.
00:16:34How would you characterize how these two franchises are run?
00:16:39>> Well, the cardinals are run as well as any team in major league baseball.
00:16:43Just look at the young kids that come up for them virtually every year.
00:16:47Look at the 10 rookie pitchers they had at one point this year and how well they were doing.
00:16:52Just look at the plan they had to replace albert pujols.
00:16:56Whereas the angels, things haven't gone as well with some of these free agent signings.
00:17:01But I signed off on the albert pujols signing saying this is something the angels had to do.
00:17:07And I didn't see too many other people disagreeing.
00:17:10The josh hamilton signing, they took him away from the rangers and the rangers are struggling offensively without him.
00:17:15That one hasn't worked out either.
00:17:18But to say the cardinals are really good, that's true.
00:17:20To say the angels are terrible at this I think is really unfair because look at the injuries they've suffered to their team this year led by albert pujols.
00:17:29And I think we still need to wait a couple more years to see what hamilton, pujols, c.j.
00:17:34Wilson, and the rest of the big signings end up doing.
00:17:37You have to give them more than a year or two.
00:17:39>> The angels currently sitting 13 games out of first place in the a.l. west.
00:17:44Ramona, in your opinion, how long could this contract hamper the team?
00:17:47>> Well, it was never going to be a good deal in the final two, three, four years of that deal.
00:17:54I think the angels made this deal knowing you weren't going to like it in you're eight, nine and 10 but hopefully would win a world series or two in the first four or five years in the deal and then forget about it.
00:18:07The problem for the angels, i think tim was about to touch on it there simply is that they started playing with the big boys.
00:18:13They started signing guys to these type of contracts but didn't finish the job because their pitching staff has really hamstrung them this season.
00:18:22They have two good starters and the rest is up in the air.
00:18:25Jeremy is out the first part of the season and sunk in such a deep hole because their pitching staff got so thin and let it get thin because they let zack greinke go to the dodgers.
00:18:35If you're going to be that type of team that decides to build through free agency, you have to go all the way.
00:18:39And you know, you looked right across the way in los angeles now at what the dodgers have done where you can make a deal and half of it turns out ok, right?
00:18:49Adrian gonzalez, carl crawford.
00:18:51Looking ok for the dodgers right now.
00:18:52Josh beckett, not so good but doesn't matter because they just went out and got zack greinke to fill that need.
00:18:58A lot of it has to do simply with it you're going to spend, you have to go all the way with it and be willing to eat bad contracts and have some missteps or some missteps at least a year or two.
00:19:08>> Mike, what do you think is the biggest issue with the angels this year?
00:19:12>> Wow, I don't think you could go singular on that word there.
00:19:16I think what's going on in anaheim is the owners' infatuation with marquee names is coming back to bite them.
00:19:25The pujols contract is one thing.
00:19:26They probably could absorb his annual salary, but when you add josh hamilton's $25 million a year for the next five years and you look at -- we haven't even talked about him and he's struggling way worse than pujols.
00:19:39When you add those contracts together, it's already pushing the angels up to that $178 million payroll tax, luxury tax that arte moreno does not want to pay and hampered and handcuffed them in their efforts to improve their rotation.
00:19:57They basically had to go on the cheap this winter and end up with joe blanton and tommy hanson who has been in and out.
00:20:03I agree with ramona, we wrote very hard last winter that they really need to re-sign greinke and then go out and get josh hamilton who really is a piece that team didn't really need.
00:20:14So when you add the payroll to the fact that they have the worst farm system in baseball and nobody coming up that's going to be major league ready at least another year or two, it's a mess out here.
00:20:27>> We've got about two minutes left so I'm going to give everybody 30 second at the end.
00:20:32There's been some bad contracts in baseball, a-rod, bobby bonilla just to name a few.
00:20:39We'll start with you, bryan, where does pujols range his deal?
00:20:43>> Cop-out time, too early to tell.
00:20:45Way too early to tell.
00:20:47When we look at this over the next, let's give it five years, then we can have a much better understanding of what it really is.
00:20:54He's been injured these first two years.
00:20:57Let's give it a little bit more time.
00:20:59>> This is a now-now society.
00:21:01Mike, I'm putting you on the spot.
00:21:03Your response?
00:21:04>> The eighth worst in baseball history.
00:21:07It is hard to put a label on it right now.
00:21:10I think of bad contracts, i think of mike hampton, johan santana, guys who signed for over $100 million and gave their teams nothing.
00:21:20Albert has hit some home runs and driven in some runs and been a factor out here in his two years and I think his potential to have an impact over the next three or four years is still there.
00:21:29So I can't rate it in the top five yet.
00:21:32>> Ramona, what do you think?
00:21:34>> You know, honestly, I don't really care too much about whether it's a bat contract because it's not my money and arte moreno's money and they signed a huge television contract with fox.
00:21:45I don't think they're hurting.
00:21:46I think it will be just fine in the end.
00:21:48If he ends up producing, it will be great for them.
00:21:50If he doesn't, I don't think it will be bad.
00:21:53They'll just be flat and not something he'll ever embarrass a grab cheese.
00:21:58He's a great player and been hurt two -- a franchise.
00:22:03But he's a good player.
00:22:07>> Tim, they left you two second.
00:22:10>> It ultimately might be one of the top 10 worst contracts but only if he remains hurt most the time but never worse than the a-rod contract, never.
00:22:18>> Tim kurkjian, ramona shelburne, bryan burwell and mike diogiavanna.
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00:00:16>> For arte moreno, it's a dream come true.
00:00:19>> Two years after signing albert pujols to a decade-long deal, it's beginning to become a nightmare for the angels owner.
00:00:26In the midst of a below-average season, the machine has broken down.
00:00:30 with a foot injury that could keep him out for the rest of the year.
00:00:36>> Got him.
00:00:37>> With the batting average just slightly higher than the .240 number which represents the millions he's guaranteed, this could be one of the worst contracts in baseball.
00:00:46It could also represent one of the best decisions the cardinals have ever made.
00:00:50>> The pitch.
00:00:51A swing and high fly ball, left field.
00:00:55Three-run blast and the cardinals have opened it up.
00:00:58>> Sits parting ways with louis hasn't skipped a beat.
00:01:03They currently have the best record in baseball with the young roster of talent poised to stay there.
00:01:09Today on "outside the lines," we examine a deal that could define two franchises for years to come.
00:01:18[Captioning made possible by ] captioned by the national captioning institute org-- >> and now sitting in for bob ley, steve weissman.
00:01:28>> With alex rodriguez under a cloud while he waits for the penalties to come down in major league baseball's latest p.e.d.
00:01:36Investigation, the contract he signed in 2007 has been called the worst in baseball history.
00:01:40The yankees, after all, were paying on the promise that a-rod was going to pass barry bonds and become the clean home run king.
00:01:48How's that working out?
00:01:49As bad as that deal was, the one the angels gave pujols could be worse.
00:01:54Pujols, in only the second of a 10-year deal just landed on the , and his season may be over.
00:02:00At least the yankees got one world series ring with a-rod.
00:02:03You can wonder what pujols has left to give a.l.
00:02:06 louis, 328 with an 420 and slugged 617.
00:02:15248 with a on-base percentage 100 points lower and a slugging number down.
00:02:24His batting average is down the fifth straight season and lower than the top six hitters in the cardinals lineup last night.
00:02:31This season the angels owe pujols $212 million.
00:02:35Over the final seasons of the deal when pujols goes from age 37 to 41, his salary averages $28 million.
00:02:43 owes pujols another $10 million in a personal services contract that begins after his retirement, meaning it's really a $250 million deal with incentives that could push it even higher.
00:02:54That brings us to today's twitter question, is albert pujols' contract the worst in mlb history.
00:03:02Use the #pujolscontract and send your responses to olt on espn and we'll air the best ones throughout the show.
00:03:10It's time to welcome our panel of guests, espn baseball insider tim kurkjian who is covering tonight's angels-rangers game on espn.
00:03:19com columnist ramona shelburne and brian burwell, and mike dajiava, the beat writer for the l.a. times.
00:03:33Pujols could return and be the player he once was but as it stands, how bad does this deal look now?
00:03:39>> It's two years in and if you're hosting sports radio in los angeles, it doesn't look good at all, it's your entire show today.
00:03:47But honestly, I think we're just two years in and think that this deal, as bad as it looks right now, it's not going to be as bad as the a-rod deal because albert pujols is a clean player.
00:03:58He's been a nice influence in that clubhouse.
00:04:00The angels don't have the expectations or the fan base the yankees have and if it doesn't work out, it doesn't work out.
00:04:06But this isn't a pressure cooker here in los angeles that it is over in new york.
00:04:10Now, I will say this, when albert pujols did this, I'm one of those who said what a great signing this was for the angels, a potentially franchise-defining field and they finally went out and landed the big fish.
00:04:23I'm not really happy I wrote that now.
00:04:26>> And brian, you were on the other side of this writing why are the cardinals getting rid of pujols.
00:04:30What do you think now?
00:04:31>> I don't remember writing that.
00:04:33I wrote that?
00:04:34Are you sure?
00:04:37Yeah, I did write that.
00:04:38Look, they came out on the end of this deal right now looking very good because the money that they didn't spend on pujols, they were able to spend on a wide swath of core players, upgrade the young players' contracts and have money left over to continue to make deals.
00:04:56But I'm in agreement with ramona here, we're only two years in and the best thing that really happened to albert pujols, believe it or not, is forcing him to take time off and get this thing fixed because albert is one of those soldiers, man, he's going to play, he's going to play, he's going to play regardless of what his body is telling him.
00:05:18Now his body has just told him, ok, you can't play, so we're still not -- we're still a ways away from determining who won this deal.
00:05:29>> Tim, money aside, why would you give a player in his 30's a 10-year deal?
00:05:33>> That's a good question, steve, but in the end they gave it to him because at the time at least he was on his way to being perhaps the greatest first baseman of all time, passing even the great lou gehrig.
00:05:47And he was the last piece, at least it seemed to me and others, that the angels needed in order to start to make the playoffs and maybe win the world series again.
00:05:56And I know the angels looked at it this way, hey, if we can win a couple world series early with albert pujols in the first three or four years, even if we have to take a bath at the end of this, we're going to really get great production out of him early, and yet that hasn't happened yet, and if you look at those numbers, steve, you've seen them go down every single year from 2009 on and really all the important major offensive categories.
00:06:24And the fact that he led the in 2008, in 2009, and now he's 71st in , that just shows you how far he's dropped.
00:06:34Of course, the injuries had something to do with that this year.
00:06:37>> He's been able to produce while injured before.
00:06:40What's the main reason the production has dropped off at this point?
00:06:43>> Well, you can point directly to the injuries, you know, getting back to your contract question, they're only two years into this and I don't think anybody in the angels front office and certainly the fans in anaheim feel like they've seen the real albert pujols yet.
00:06:59They saw it for bits and pieces for last season but then he played the last six weeks, two months with an injured knee that needed surgery, and he's played this whole season with the planter fasciitis, which you've ever had, I actually had it about 10 years ago, tim salmon played with it in 1998 and likened it to playing with a nail in your heel.
00:07:20This is a really painful injury.
00:07:24And you look at his numbers, he's on pace to knock in 100 runs this year, and granted his average and on-base and slugging are at historical lows but he still has produced more than what you would expect from a guy who has been hobbled all year by a really major injury, and to echo what bryan was saying, yeah, I think this was the best thing in the big picture for the angels and for albert because, you know, they weren't going anywhere with him in the lineup this year.
00:07:49They're out of it.
00:07:51And this will give them a two-month head start on his recovery and by tearing the planter fascia, he accomplished what surgery would have done.
00:08:01>> Bryan, that said, mike scioscia said this injury has been going on six or seven years.
00:08:06What did the cardinals know about it?
00:08:09>> Albert has had bumps and bruises, aches and pains a lot of the -- I'd say the last five or six years he was with the cardinals.
00:08:19There was always something wrong, but he always found a way to get through it.
00:08:22He would have these little slumps, but for albert, you know, he would slump for a few weeks and then somebody would write something bad about him having a slump and he'd go on a tear over the next 15.
00:08:37So you just said that's albert, he's going to find a way to do it.
00:08:42But again, this is the best thing for him.
00:08:44Get him away from the game, stop and force his body to do things it shouldn't be doing and get yourself 100% healed so we can see the real albert pujols again, because you're right, we haven't seen him in two years, maybe three.
00:09:01 louis also offered him a $10-year deal, much less than the angels but had the length of the contract.
00:09:09Why do you think they did it and would they still do it now?
00:09:12>> Well, what the cardinals thought at least at the time was we're not going over $200 million for albert and we're not going over seven years for albert because we just can't.
00:09:22We can't do that with our finances.
00:09:25As bryan said, this allowed them to sign yadier molina long term, and he's having an m.v.p.
00:09:31it allowed them to sign adam wainwright long term.
00:09:36He is the best pitcher on their team easily and one of the best pitchers in the game.
00:09:40They also have to create some room for allen craig who's got 's this year and they have to find a spot eventually for matt adams who is going to be their first baseman, at least from where i can see, next year.
00:09:53This is typical cardinals.
00:09:54They're really smarter than most teams and they looked at it and said we'd love to have albert back but it's got to be at our price range.
00:10:01If he doesn't agree to it, we have a bunch of other options and a lot of those options have really worked out so far.
00:10:09>> They would have had a heart attack if he had accepted that five-year deal at $25 million and gone oh, god, I don't believe he took it.
00:10:19>> Ramona, pujols came in with a ton of fanfare and one of the wilson and josh hamilton ended up going to the angels.
00:10:26What's the feeling in l.a.
00:10:27Right now about albert pujols?
00:10:29>> Honestly, the angels are the type of team, when they're winning, everyone jumps onboard the bandwagon.
00:10:36When they're losing, you ignore them because it's a long drive to get to anaheim and if they're not winning, why drive down there, other than the fact pujols is out for the season and josh hamilton so far has been a bust, people just ignore them.
00:10:50It's sort of -- that's what happens when you're the angels and that's why at the time they signed him I thought was a huge move because at that point the dodgers had not been sold yet, they weren't spending money on anybody and this was potentially a game changer because the angels finally went out and got one of those big name free agents.
00:11:08They missed on carl crawford and let mark teixeira go at the time and they finally went out and got a big fish, the biggest fish in all the land and thought this would be the guy to break all the home run records, all of baseball's most hallowed records in an angel uniform.
00:11:21I still think he might.
00:11:23I'm kind of saying this is two years in and I still think he's got a lot left.
00:11:30, it's call me when you're good again.
00:11:34Call me when you're back.
00:11:34 as a big market compared to st.
00:11:40Louis whh was albert's comfort zone.
00:11:42Is it not a big market?
00:11:43 louis or could it be pujols isn't a big market guy?
00:11:48>> Honestly, it's anaheim.
00:11:50Anaheim is an hour from los angeles in traffic, and people get excited about going to see a winner.
00:11:57You get excited about going to see stars like mike trout.
00:12:00Albert came to town and didn't really embrace -- I don't think he had a big personality and he's not a sizzling type of player.
00:12:07You notice him over the long haul, you can talk to everyone louis who you have on the panel here but you appreciate albert over time.
00:12:14He's a machine.
00:12:16's every single year and delivers in the clutch.
00:12:20There's been no clutch to deliver in since he got here, so, ok, mostly focus on mike trout and everything else the angels have done but albert sort of has been a nonfactor since he got here.
00:12:33>> Mike, you mentioned the injuries as a reason the production has gone down, between 2001-2011, 20% of pujols' fly balls went out of the ballpark for home runs but that number has been cut in half this year and last year he hit 30 home runs and that percentage was down to 14%.
00:12:49Why the loss of power?
00:12:51>> We wrote a lot about this last april when he was really slumping, and it was his first time in the so-called marine layer in angels stadium which a lot of pitchers will tell you they love pitching there early in the season and late in the season and a lot of hitters, fly balls they think are out and you can see by their reaction, they die on the warning track and that's a little bit of it.
00:13:14But it truly gets back to these injuries.
00:13:17Albert is a power hitter, always has relied on his lower body strength and you got a right knee that's surgically repaired and planter fasciitis in the left heel.
00:13:30At one time or the other, each of those was hurt and he was compensating for the other and probably getting into some bad habits.
00:13:38And it's going to zap your power when you're playing with those lower body injuries.
00:13:42So I think it's going to be really interesting to see how he comes into spring training next year and the shape he's in.
00:13:51I think his motivation will be off the charts because it's been two years here and they haven't even had a sniff of the playoffs.
00:13:57>> Bryan, you've seen it before, though, you've seen him play through injuries.
00:14:01He was injured in his time in louis and still put up huge numbers.
00:14:05 with the same injuries basically?
00:14:08>> Well, I think it was already touched on, the fact that, you know, you've got a bad knee, you've got a bad foot, you can't do the things that you normally would do, and one of the things albert has done when it's not working is he does press, he then becomes the hitter he never has been which is he swings at things out of the strike zone.
00:14:31He swings at pitches he normally would never swing at because he's pressing.
00:14:37Again, let's wait and see this guy come back 100% healthy.
00:14:41If I know albert, he'll come back next spring training 100% in shape, 100% healthy, and you're probably going to see the machine again.
00:14:51To what extent, I don't know.
00:14:53But I'm not counting the guy out.
00:14:56I'm not betting against him.
00:14:57>> Tim, what if anything do you see that would lead you to believe that pujols will be the louis again?
00:15:05>> Well, it will be difficult to be that player, steve, because no player in major league history has ever had a first 10 years of a career better than albert pujols.
00:15:15And we have to be careful not to compare him to the guy of eight years ago when he was by far the best hitter in the game.
00:15:24But bryan burwell is right about this, this guy is so maniacal about his preparation and his pride of being a great player.
00:15:31I know it affects him when he's not doing well.
00:15:34He takes it home with him and he's not in the same comfort level in anaheim that he was in st. louis.
00:15:39But he is still a really, really, really good hitter.
00:15:43And I talked to many hitters over the years, including lance berkman right here in texas who have explained when your knee is bothering you and your legs aren't under you, especially your feet, you're just not going to be a productive hitter.
00:15:56And the thought albert pujols is going to come back next year 260 again, it is not going to happen.
00:16:03He's way too good for that.
00:16:04He may not be the pujols of 2003, but he's going to be a really good hitter next year as soon as he gets healthy.
00:16:12>> Since pujols vacated first louis, the cardinals first basemen as a group actually lead the majors at that position in r.b.i.
00:16:20Bryan, what was the biggest benefit in the cards in letting him go?
00:16:24>> It opened things up.
00:16:26Now you can play adam, you can play craig, you can play a lot of these bats that they have.
00:16:35And don't forget, they still have to -- then they move craig to the outfield but they still have a kid down in the minor leagues, tavaris, who they already said is the best pure hitter they've seen in their organization since a young albert pujols.
00:16:50So albert leaving has opened things up and allowed them to get some of these younger bats, these effective bats into the lineup on a regular basis.
00:17:00>> Tim, pujols leaves the cardinals, they get better.
00:17:02He joins the angels, they get worse.
00:17:05How would you characterize how these two franchises are run?
00:17:10>> Well, the cardinals are run as well as any team in major league baseball.
00:17:14Just look at the young kids that come up for them virtually every year.
00:17:18Look at the 10 rookie pitchers they had at one point this year and how well they were doing.
00:17:24Just look at the plan they had to replace albert pujols.
00:17:27Whereas the angels, things haven't gone as well with some of these free agent signings.
00:17:32But I signed off on the albert pujols signing saying this is something the angels had to do.
00:17:38And I didn't see too many other people disagreeing.
00:17:41The josh hamilton signing, they took him away from the rangers and the rangers are struggling offensively without him.
00:17:46That one hasn't worked out either.
00:17:49But to say the cardinals are really good, that's true.
00:17:51To say the angels are terrible at this I think is really unfair because look at the injuries they've suffered to their team this year led by al and I think we still need to wait a couple more years to see what hamilton, pujols, c.j.
00:18:05Wilson, and the rest of the big signings end up doing.
00:18:08You have to give them more than a year or two.
00:18:10>> The angels currently sitting 13 games out of first place in the a.l. west.
00:18:15Ramona, in your opinion, how long could this contract hamper the team?
00:18:19>> Well, it was never going to be a good deal in the final two, three, four years of that deal.
00:18:25I think the angels made this deal knowing you weren't going to like it in you're eight, nine and 10 but hopefully would win a world series or two in the first four or five years in the deal and then forget about it.
00:18:38The problem for the angels, i think tim was about to touch on it thereply is that they started playing with the big boys.
00:18:44They started signingt pa of the season and sunk in such a deep hole because their pitching staff got so thin and let it get thin because they let zack greinke go to the dodgers.
00:19:06If you're going to be that type of team that decides to build through free agency, you have to go all the way.
00:19:10And you know, you looked right across the way in los angeles now at what the dodgers have done where you can make a deal and half of it turns out ok, right?
00:19:20Adrian gonzalez, carl crawford.
00:19:22Looking ok for the dodgers right now.
00:19:23Josh beckett, not so good but doesn't matter because they just went out and got zack greinke to fill that need.
00:19:29A lot of it has to do simply with it you're going to spend, you have to go all the way with it and be willing to eat bad contracts and have some missteps or some missteps at least a year or two.
00:19:39>> Mike, what do you think is the biggest issue with the angels this year?
00:19:43>> Wow, I don't think you could go singular on that word there.
00:19:47I think what's going on in anaheim is the owners' infatuation with marquee names
00:00:01For watching.
00:00:02>> >>outside the lines" starts now.
00:00:08>> For arte moreno, it's a dream come true.
00:00:11>> Two years after signing albert pujols to a decade-long deal, it's beginning to become a nightmare for the ang owner.
00:00:18In the midst of a below-average season, the machine has broken down.
00:00:22 with a foot injury that could keep him out for the rest of the year.
00:00:28>> Got him.
00:00:29>> With the batting average just slightly higher than the .240 number which represents the millions he's guaranteed, this could be one of the worst contracts in baseball.
00:00:38It could also represent one of the best decisionshe cardinals have ever made.
00:00:42>> The pitch.
00:00:43A swing and high fly ball, left field.
00:00:48Three-run blast and the cardinals have opened it up.
00:00:51>> Sits parting ways with louis hasn't skipped a beat.
00:00:55Currently have the best record in baseball with the young ster of talent poised to stay there.
00:01:01Today on "outside the lines," we examine a deal that could define two franchises for years to come.
00:01:10[Captioning made possible by ] captioned by the national captioning institute org-- >> and now sitting in bob ley, steve weissman.
00:01:21>> With alex rodriguez under a cloud while he waits for the penalties to come down in major league baseball's latest p.e.d.
00:01:28Investigation, the contract he signed in 2007 has been called the worst in baseball history.
00:01:32The yankees, after all, were paying on the promise that a-rod was going to pass barry bonds and become the clean home run king.
00:01:40How's that working out?
00:01:42As bad as that deal was, the one the angels gave pujols could be worse.
00:01:47Pujols, in only the second of a 10-year deal just landed on the , and his season may be over.
00:01:52At least the yankees got one world series ring with a-rod.
00:01:55You can wonder what pujols has left to give a.l.
00:01:58 louis, 328 with an 420 and slugged 617.
00:02:07248 with a on-base percentage 100 points lower and a slugging number down.
00:02:16His batting average is down the fifth straight season and lower than the top six hitters in the cardinals lineup last night.
00:02:23In this season the angels owe pujols $212 million.
00:02:27Over the final seasons of the deal when pujols goes from age 37 to 41, his salary averages $28 million.
00:02:35 owes pujols another $10 million in a personal services contract that begins after his retirement, meaning it's really a $250 million deal with incentives that could push it even higher.
00:02:47That brings us to today's twitter question, is albert pujols' contract the worst in mlb history.
00:02:54Use the #pujolscontract and send your responses to olt on espn and we'll air the best ones throughout the show.
00:03:03It's time to welcome our panel of guests, espn baseball insider tim kurkjian who is covering tonight's angels-rangers game on espn.
00:03:11com columnist ramona shelburne and brian burwell, and mike dajiava, the beat writer for the l.a. times.
00:03:25Pujols could return and be the player he once was but as it stands, how bad does this deal look now?
00:03:31>> It's two years in and if you're hosting sports radio in los angeles, it doesn't look good at all, it's your entire show today.
00:03:39But honestly, I think we're just two years in and think that this deal, as bad as it looks right now, it's not going to be as bad as the a-rod deal because albert pujols is a clean player.
00:03:50He's been a nice influence in that clubhouse.
00:03:52The angels don't have the expectations or the fan base the yankees have and if it doesn't work out, it doesn't work out.
00:03:58But this isn't a pressure cooker here in los angeles that it is over in new york.
00:04:02Now, I will sayhis, when albert pujols did this, I'm one of those who said what a great signing this was for the angels, a potentially franchise-defining field and they finally went out and landed the big fish.
00:04:15I'm not really happy I wrote that now.
00:04:18>> And brian, you were on the other side of this writing why are the cardinals getting rid of pujols.
00:04:22What do you think now?
00:04:23>> I don't remember writing that.
00:04:26I wrote that?
00:04:26Are you sure?
00:04:29Yeah, I did write that.
00:04:30Look, they came out on the end of this deal right now looking very good because the money that they didn't spen pujols, they were able to spend on a wide swath of core players, upgrade the young players' contracts and have money left over to continue to make deals.
00:04:48But I'm in agreement with ramona here, we're only two years in and the best thing that really happened to albert pujols, believe it or not, is ing him to take time off and get this thing fixed because albert is one of those soldiers, man, he's going to play, he's going to play, he's going to play regardless of what his body is telling him.
00:05:11Now his body has just told him, ok, you can't play, so we're still not 10-year deal?
00:05:26>> That's a good question, steve, but in the end they gave it to him because at the time at least he was on his way to being perhaps the greatest first baseman of all time, passing even the great lou gehrig.
00:05:39And he was the last piece, at least it seemed to me and others, that the angels needed in order to start to make the playoffs and maybe win the world series again.
00:05:48And I know the angels looked at it this way, hey, if we can win a couple world series early with albert pujols in the first three or four years, even if we have to take a bath at the end of this, we're going to really get great production out of him early, and yet that hasn't happened yet, and if you look at those numbers, steve, you've seen them go down every single year from 2009 on and really all the important major offensive categories.
00:06:16And the fact that he led the in 2008, in 2009, and now he's 71st in , that just shows you how far he's dropped.
00:06:26Of course, the injuries had something to do with that this year.
00:06:30>> He's been able to produce while injured before.
00:06:32What's the main reason the production has dropped off at this point?
00:06:35>> Well, you can point directly to the injuries, you know, getting back to your contract question, they're only two years into this and I don't think anybody in the angels front office and certainly the fans in anaheim feel like they've seen the real albert pujols yet.
00:06:51They saw it for bits and pieces for last season but then he played the last six weeks, two months with an injured knee that needed surgery, and he's played this whole season with the planter fasciitis, which you've ever had, I actually had it about 10 years ago, tim salmon played with it in 1998 and likened it to playing with a nail in your heel.
00:07:13This is a really painful injury.
00:07:16And you look at his numbers, he's on pace to knock in 100 runs this year, and granted his average and on-base and slugging are at historical lows but he still has produced more than what you would expect from a guy who has been hobbled all year by a really major injury, and to echo what bryan was saying, yeah, I think this was the best thing in the big picture for the angels and for albert because, you know, they weren't going anywhere with him in the lineup this year.
00:07:42They're out of it.
00:07:44And this will give them a two-month head start on his recovery and by tearing the planter fascia, he accomplished what surgery would have done.
00:07:54Bryan, that said, mike scioscia said this injury has been going on six or seven years.
00:07:59What did the cardinals know about it?
00:08:01>> Albert has had bumps and bruises, aches and pains a lot of the -- I'd say the last five or six years he was with the cardinals.
00:08:11There was always something wrong, but he always found a way to get through it.
00:08:15He would have these little slumps, but for albert, you know, he would slump for a few weeks and then somebody would write something bad about him having a slump and he'd go on a tear over the next 15 games.
00:08:29So you just said that's albert, he's going to find a way to do it.
00:08:34But again, this is the best thing for him.
00:08:37Get him away from the game, stop and force his body to do things it shouldn't be doing and get yourself 100% healed so we can see the real albert pujols again, because you're right, we haven't seen him in two years, maybe three.
00:08:53 louis also offered him a $10-year deal, much less than the angels but had the length of the contract.
00:09:02Why do you think they did it and would they still do it now?
00:09:05>> Well, what the cardinals thought at least at the time was we're not going over $200 million for albert and we're not going over seven years for albert because we just can't.
00:09:15We can't do that with our finances.
00:09:17As bryan said, this allowed them to sign yadier molina long term, and he's having an m.v.p.
00:09:23Year.
00:09:24It allowed them to sign adam wainwright long term.
00:09:28He is the best pitcher on their team easily and one of the best pitchers in the game.
00:09:32They also have to create some room for allen craig who's got 's this year and they have to find a spot eventually for matt adams who is going to be their first baseman, at least from where i can see, next year.
00:09:45This is typical cardinals.
00:09:46They're really smarter than most teams and they looked at it and said we'd love to have albert back but it's got to be at our price range.
00:09:53If he doesn't agree to it, we have a bunch of other options and a lot of os>> they would have had a heart attack if he had accepted at five-year deal at $25 million and gone oh, god, I don't believe he took it.
00:10:11>> Ramona, pujols came in with a ton of fanfare and one of the wilson and josh hamilton ended up going to the angels.
00:10:18What's the feeling in l.a.
00:10:19Right now about albert pujols?
00:10:21>> Honestly, the angels are the type of team, when they're winning, everyone jumps onboard the bandwagon.
00:10:29When they're losing, you ignore them because it's a long drive to get to anaheim and if they're not winning, why drive down there, other than the fact pujols is out for the season and josh hamilton so far has been a bust, people just ignore them.
00:10:43It's sort of -- that's what happens when you're the angels and that's why at the time they signed him I thought was a huge move because at that point the dodgers had not been sold yet, they weren't spending money on anybody and this was potentially a game changer because the angels finally went out and got one of those big name free agents.
00:11:00They missed on carl crawford and let mark teixeira go at the time and they finally went out and got a big fish, the biggest fish in all the land and thought this would be the guy to break all the home run records, all of baseball's most hallowed records in an angel uniform.
00:11:14I still think he might.
00:11:15I'm kind of saying this is two years in and I still think he's got a lot left.
00:11:23, it's call me when you're good again.
00:11:26Call me when you're back.
00:11:27 as a big market compared to st.
00:11:32Louis which was albert's comfort zone.
00:11:34Is it not a big market?
00:11:35 louis or could it be pujols isn't a big market guy?
00:11:40>> Honestly, it's anaheim.
00:11:42Anaheim is an hour from los angeles in traffic, and people get excited about going to see a winner.
00:11:49You get excited about going to see stars like mike trout.
00:11:53Albert came to town and didn't really embrace -- I don't think he had a big personality and he's not a sizzling type of player.
00:11:59You notice him over the long haul, you can talk to everyone louis who you have on the panel here but you appreciate albert over time.
00:12:06He's a machine.
00:12:08's every single year and delivers in the clutch.
00:12:12There's been no clutch to deliver in since he got here, so, ok, mostly focus on mike trout and everything else the angels have done but albert sort of has been a nonfactor since he got here.
00:12:26>> Mike, you mentioned the injuries as a reason the production has gone down, between 2001-2011, 20% of pujols' fly balls went out of the ballpark for home runs but that number has been cut in half this year and last year he hit 30 home runs and that percentage was down to 14%.
00:12:41Why the loss of power?
00:12:43>> We wrote a lot about this last april when he was really slumping, and it was his first time in the so-called marine layer in angels stadium which a lot of pitchers will tell you they lov pitching there early in the season and late in the season and a lot of hitters fly balls they think are out and you can see by their reaction, they die on the warning track and that's a little bit of it.
00:13:06But it truly gets back to these injuries.
00:13:10Albert is a power hitter, always has relied on his lower body strength and you got a right knee that's surgically repaired and planter fasciitis in the left heel.
00:13:22At one time or the other, each of those was hurt and he was compensating for the other and probably getting into some bad habits.
00:13:30And it's going to zap your power when you're playing with those lower body injuries.
00:13:34So I think it's going to be really interesting to see how he comes into spring training next year and the shape he's in.
00:13:43I think his motivation will be off the charts because it's been two years here and they haven't even had a sniff of the playoffs.
00:13:50>> Bryan, u've seen it before, though, you've seen him play through injuries.
00:13:53He was injured in his time in louis and still put up huge numbers.
00:13:57 with the same injuries basically?
00:14:00>> Well, I think it was already touched on, the fact that, you know, you've got a bad knee, you've got a bad foot, you can't do the things that you normally would do, and one of the things albert has done when it's not working is he does press, he then becomes the hitter he never has been which is he swings at things out of the strike zone.
00:14:23He swings at pitches he normally would never swing at because he's pressing.
00:14:29Again, let's wait and see this guy come back 100% healthy.
00:14:33If I know albert, he'll come back next spring training 100% in shape, 100% healthy, and you're probably going to see the machine again.
00:14:44To what extent, I don't know.
00:14:46But I'm not counting the guy out.
00:14:48I'm not betting against him.
00:14:50>> Tim, what if anything do you see that would lead you to believe that pujols will be the louis again?
00:14:57>> Well, it will be difficult to be that player, steve, because no player in major league history has ever had a first 10 years of a career better than albert pujols.
00:15:08And we have to be careful not to compare him to the guy of eight years ago when he was by far the best hitter in the game.
00:15:16But bryan burwell is right about this, this guy is so maniacal about his preparation and his pride of being a great player.
00:15:23I know it affects him when he's not doing well.
00:15:26He takes it home with him and he's not in the same comfort level in anaheim that he was in st. louis.
00:15:31But he is still a really, really, really good hitter.
00:15:35And I talked to many hitters over the years, including lance berkman right here in texas who have explained when your knee is bothering you and your legs aren't under you, especially your feet, you're just not going to be a productive hitter.
00:15:49And the thought albert pujols is going to come back next year 260 again, it is not going to happen.
00:15:55He's way too good for that.
00:15:56He may not be the pujols of 2003, but he's going to be a really good hitter next year as soon as he gets healthy.
00:16:04>> Since pujols vacated first louis, the cardinals first basemen as a group actually lead the majors at that position in r.b.i.
00:16:13Bryan, what was the biggest benefit in the cards in letting him go?
00:16:16>> It opened things up.
00:16:19Now you can play adam, you can play craig, you can play a lot of these bats that they have.
00:16:27And don't forget, they still have to -- then they move craig to the outfield but they still have a kid down in the minor leagues, tavaris, who they already said is the best pure hitter they've seen in their organization since a young albert pujols.
00:16:43So albert leaving has opened things up and allowed them to get some of these younger bats, these effective bats into the lineup on a regular basis.
00:16:52>> Tim, pujols leaves the cardinals, they get better.
00:16:55He joins the angels, they get worse.
00:16:57How would you characterize how these two franchises are run?
00:17:02>> Well, the cardinals are run as well as any team in major league baseball.
00:17:06Just look at the young kids that come up for them virtually every year.
00:17:11Look at the 10 rookie pitchers they had at one point this year and how well they were doing.
00:17:16Just look at the plan they had to replace albert pujols.
00:17:19Whereas the angels, things haven't gone as well with some of these free agent signings.
00:17:24But I signed off on the albert pujols signing saying this is something the angels had to do.
00:17:30And I didn't see too many other people disagreeing.
00:17:34The josh hamilton signing, they took him away from the rangers and the rangers are struggling offensively without him.
00:17:39That one hasn't worked out either.
00:17:41But to say the cardinals are really good, that's true.
00:17:43To say the angels are terrible at this I think is really unfair because look at the injuries they've suffered to their team this year led by albert pujols.
00:17:52And I think we still need to wait a couple more years to see what hamilton, pujols, c.j.
00:17:57Wilson, and the rest of the big signings end up doing.
00:18:01You have to give them more than a year or two.
00:18:03>> The angels currently sitting 13 games out of first place in the a.l. west.
00:18:08Ramona, in your opinion, how long could this contract hamper the team?
00:18:11>> Well, it was never going to be a good deal in the final two, three, four years of that deal.
00:18:18I think the angels made this deal knowing you weren't going to like it in you're eight, nine and 10 but hopefully would win a world series or two in the first four or five years in the deal and then forget about it.
00:18:30The problem for the angels, i think tim was about to touch on it there simply is that they started playing with the big boys.
00:18:36They started signing guys to these type of contracts but didn't finish the job because their pitching staff has really hamstrung them this season.
00:18:45They have two good starters and the rest is up in the air.
00:18:48Jeremy is out the first part of the season and sunk in such a deep hole because their

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