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00:00:00Flows using, look at how fast particles move.
00:00:04>> You basically look at this for two hours, I understood.
00:00:07Measured the speed at which and rapidity at which particles were moving through this video.
00:00:13Because is was solid, you couldn't see all the way through you are giving yourself a 20% margin of error?
00:00:18>> That's right.
00:00:20When this technique is done correctly, in a laboratory setting, the window of error is very small.
00:00:29Say, plus, minus 1%.
00:00:31Really hard, good engineering number.
00:00:34And because of the -- because of the various variables here, I'm not able to get, I'm not confident beyond plus or minus 20%.
00:00:44>> So the estimate of 5,000 gallons.
00:00:47A day you, have no doubt that is way, way low.
00:00:51>> Right.
00:00:52>> You are saying it could be as high as 70,000?
00:00:56>> Well, I calculate from the video, which is just a snapshot in time, right, the video just shows what was happening I think it was shot the day before yesterday.
00:01:08So for that particular 30 seconds that the video was running, the -- the flow out of the pipe was 70,000 gallons per day.
00:01:19At the rate it was coming out was 70,000 gallons a day.
00:01:23>> I want to bring in dug brinkley.
00:01:2770,000 Gallons versus 5,000 gallons that is an extraordinary difference.
00:01:31>> It is certainly going to be more than 5,000.
00:01:34We have the video of the gusher, not a spill, a gusher, people from a laboratories in massachusetts, one of the finest places for professors from florida, top people saying a lot more than british petroleum told us.
00:01:51>> I misspoke.
00:01:53Sigh meant 5,000 barrels compared to 70,000 barrels.
00:01:59Not gallons.
00:02:00>> It's more than bp has told the public.
00:02:03Again they waited until after the congressional hearing this week.
00:02:06And now, we have got the video footage of what is going on undersea, for the first time.
00:02:11People are able to do calculations for themselves.
00:02:15We need more transparency out of british petroleum.
00:02:19Might be the time for the government to appoint a navy admiral, get a flotilla in the region.
00:02:26If this much oil as professors, experts, ocean graphers is really spilling out, gushing out this is a federal crisis can't be dealt with on a corporate level.
00:02:35>> Want to read a statement from bp, quote, we have said all along there is no way to measure the like.
00:02:42We are focused on stopping the like and not measuring it.
00:02:45All along people have latched on to the idea of, 210,000 gallon is a day, the number we have been using.
00:02:52But if professor werely's calculations are correct, conservative calculations this is devastating.
00:02:59>> Well, you know, anderson, that bp has been low balling it from day one.
00:03:04They have, they have constantly, I have said this from the start, when I first went on your show, they don't seem to want to educate the public.
00:03:13They're in cover-up mode.
00:03:13They were from day one here.
00:03:14I think now the federal government has to come in.
00:03:17Every day the media, the public should be able to have a belter idea what is going on in the gulf.
00:03:24Doesn't have to be done in a cloak of secrecy.
00:03:27There are stories when oceangraphers are trying how to get near the site.
00:03:34We need how to get is our science community, university people involved.
00:03:37We have got to solve this.
00:03:39We just can't go on for week after week, and every day having, a bp being wrong about something.
00:03:45This is a company that really now has lost all public integrity.
00:03:49I think the federal government and the navy is going to have to get in a serious way.
00:03:54>> Professor werel ycht, it's interesting.
00:03:57I expected bp to make a statement saying, look, these estimates are way off.
00:04:02They're not saying that at all.
00:04:04They're not saying this is wrong.
00:04:05They are saying we said all along there was no way to measure the like.
00:04:08You are saying there is a way to measure the like?
00:04:12>> Yeah, so, I guess, I could see bp experts not being aware of this technique, this video.
00:04:22This technique that I use.
00:04:23They may not have been aware of that.
00:04:25>> You say the technique you use is pretty standard for measuring velocity of anything.
00:04:30>> Yeah.
00:04:31>> For household products, right?
00:04:33>> Yeah, if you go to any major research university, you are going to find maybe five or ten people who do this.
00:04:40I happen to be an expert.
00:04:41I have written a book on the technique.
00:04:44You will find five to ten people who can do this.
00:04:46So, people are out there.
00:04:49>> So when they say there is no way to measure the like, you are saying either they're just misinformed or something else?
00:04:57>> Yes.
00:04:58I guess I should say -- it's -- i, you know, maybe they're thinking about measure in terms of, how many gallons you put into your car.
00:05:07You measure that, three digits of precision on the gas pump.
00:05:11We are not anywhere near that.
00:05:13The 70,000 barrels a day is strictly an estimate.
00:05:17Like with the plus or minus 20% uncertainty on it.
00:05:22So, the fact that you can't measure it to a high degree of accuracy doesn't mean that you can't do a very good estimate of it.
00:05:30That's what I have done.
00:05:32>> Doug, moving forward, all of this talk of 200,000 gallons a day, 5,000 barrels a day, i mean, people have got to stop using those numbers.
00:05:43>> The numbers are wrong.
00:05:44We have got few stop using them.
00:05:46We have got to stop relying on british petroleum.
00:05:49We need transparency, not cover-up.
00:05:51And as the professor said we need our best oceanoographers on the site.
00:05:58British petroleum has done the quarantine.
00:06:00They don't want people looking at what they're doing.
00:06:02We are now so far down the line here the they have got to forget the legal fig leafs, stop worrying about being sued.
00:06:10And open this up.
00:06:11We have a lot of great people in houston, at universities that want to get in there and help solve the problem.
00:06:17British petroleum has been blocking people saying we have got it under control.
00:06:20As we know they don't.
00:06:21And they're running a misinformation campaign.
00:06:25>> Got to leave it there.
00:06:26Doug brinkley, appreciate it.
00:06:28Professor werely, thank you.
00:06:30Thank you.
00:06:31Alarming, incredible stuff.
00:06:32Let us know what you think.
00:06:34Livechat is up in and running.
00:06:37Are boycotts over arizona's immigration law, hurting latino immigrants.
00:06:43Did arizona bring it on themselves?
00:06:44We'll talk with a l.a.
00:06:46Councilman.
00:06:47And arizona sheriff.
00:06:48They both join us live.
00:06:50>>> Later, big interview, dr.
00:06:53Phil on the murder of lawrence king, bullying in schools and the video that has the the country talking.
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00:09:54>>> Keeping them honest.
00:09:56Los angeles city council members, punishing arizona for their immigration law.
00:10:00Their rhetoric pretty inflammatory, comparing arizona to nazi germany, bringing up internment of japanese-americans during world war ii.
00:10:08>> Many of you know I am a very proud immigrant to this country.
00:10:13And I -- I see this not only as an affront to myself, to people who look like me, but it is an affront to all of us.
00:10:22>> If this was being proposed at the federal level, I would think we were absolutely at the very beginnings of what went on in nazi germany.
00:10:32It is not much different.
00:10:33Fortunately it is a state.
00:10:35This state needs to be stung in every possible way until they stop this behavior.
00:10:39>> The vote was 13-1.
00:10:42L.a.'s mayor expected to sign.
00:10:43Not the only city considering boycotts.
00:10:46Let's go over the map on the wall.
00:10:47Want to show you cities that are boycotting arizona or actively considering travel bans and the like.
00:10:53Let's take a look, in addition , san francisco, austin, texas, saint paum, chicago, boston, 19 big cities in all so far.
00:11:01New polling shows a majority of americans have a very different opinion.
00:11:05Take a look, some of the new polling out there.
00:11:07A pew research center survey showing 59% nationwide approve of the arizona law.
00:11:1432% Disapprove.
00:11:16Shrink that down.
00:11:17Business is suffering in arizona.
00:11:1923 Conventions or other major events canceled since the immigration law was signed.
00:11:24That's $10 million in lost revenue.
00:11:26According to the airs hotel and lodging association.
00:11:29And long-term what are we talking about?
00:11:32Long term, stakes are enormous.
00:11:34State tourism office says arizona got 102,000 visitors a day, every day in 2008.
00:11:41$5 Billion in travel and tourism related business earnings in 2008 and 166,900 jobs, many held by latinos.
00:11:51Here is the other map.
00:11:5223% Of visitors to airs come from california.
00:11:56No other state even comes close.
00:11:57So, tonight, keeping them honest.
00:12:00We wanted to know, are l.a.
00:12:02Politicians trying to punish arizona in fact punishing a lot of latino workers?
00:12:06If they are should that matter?
00:12:09Digging deeper now with the councilman, ed reyes and the sheriff of maricopa county.
00:12:18Councilman, a lot of critics say this is just political grandstanding, comparing what is going on in arizona to nazi germany, isn't that just -- do you really believe this is what, similar to nazi germany?
00:12:31>> Well put it this way.
00:12:32When you allow discrimination, when you allow an attack on a group of people, which is, what this law does, it is discriminatory, racial profiling.
00:12:42That's how you start establishing a second-class citizenship, create environments of fear and that's what the historical events begin with.
00:12:52That is the type of environment being created by this law.
00:12:55>> Sheriff?
00:12:56Go ahead.
00:12:57>> Yes.
00:12:58Please go ahead.
00:12:59>> I don't know if he read the law.
00:13:01 attorney general admitted to day he hasn't read the law.
00:13:05So maybe your councilman should read the law, not overreact.
00:13:09We have many people from arizona going to california, to san diego, we are not talking about boycotting.
00:13:19So, understand the law.
00:13:20We do not racial profile.
00:13:22I have been called, a nazi, hitler every name in the book since enforcing the laws for three years.
00:13:27That's sad.
00:13:29It is hype.
00:13:30Everybody wants, by the way those cities you mention are all sanctuary cities and states.
00:13:34They want amnesty.
00:13:36So this is a political situation.
00:13:38>> The justice department is investigating your department now for racial profiling aren't they?
00:13:42>> Let me tell you, 60 days in the obama administration they launched a civil rights investigation against me.
00:13:48A year and a half.
00:13:49Once again, the attorney general of the united states is making comments about arizona has never read the law.
00:13:56Why don't people read the law and get the truth.
00:13:58>> Are you now being investigated?
00:14:01Wasn't there an investigation launched in march?
00:14:03>> I've don't know.
00:14:04A year and a half.
00:14:05Nothing has happened.
00:14:06We're doing the right thing.
00:14:07We do not racial profile.
00:14:08And with the new law, it is in the law that you will never racial profile.
00:14:12Study the law.
00:14:14>> Councilman, why do you say it is racial profiling?
00:14:17>> First I did read the law.
00:14:20We had a top analyst read the law.
00:14:22We made it very clear, we want methodical.
00:14:28There is so much gray area, so much subjectivity.
00:14:33If an officer doesn't like a certain event or appears on the scene and feels that someone is suspect that person could be deported.
00:14:40If I go there and I go ahead and with me or my passport, and, let's just say that -- they want to stop me for some reason, doesn't feel like i should be there or wants to move in the direct, that they want to deport me.
00:14:56They have the right to do that with this law.
00:14:57>> No, we have the right once you violate the law, I presume if you didn't violate any law you have nothing to worry about.
00:15:04When you violate the law, we do have a right to ask your identification, I can go on and on.
00:15:10>> Sheriff, if that is true then why do you need the law at all.
00:15:15That law already exists.
00:15:16If someone violates the law they can be stopped by the police and questioned.
00:15:19What a lot of opponents of this, as you just heard are saying, look, this doesn't require some violation of the law.
00:15:25This is really, a wide discretion for the police officer to decide that person looks suspicious.
00:15:29That person is hanging around, they look like an illegal immigrant.
00:15:33Therefore, I am going few talk to them because being an illegal immigrant is a gainst the law.
00:15:38>> First we do more than talk.
00:15:39If you are here illegally, you committed a state crime and you can go few jail.
00:15:44So we can take action where before that could not be done.
00:15:48We have to turn them over to i.c.e.
00:15:50>> What difference is there now?
00:15:51If somebody had violated a law, they could be legally stopped bipt police prior to this.
00:15:56So it doesn't seem like in this, at least the critics of the law say look it doesn't require this person to have, been seen running away from the scene of a crime or, you know, be driving in a car with a broken tail light.
00:16:09They can just be stopped if they look like an illegal immigrant?
00:16:12>> No, not what they look like.
00:16:13We stop everybody.
00:16:15It doesn't matter where you are from what you look like.
00:16:18Once you stop them, now there is a new law that you can arrest them for being here illegally.
00:16:24We didn't have that before.
00:16:26>> So if a group of white people are hanging around on a street corner, or hanging around by a warehouse, you can just stop them and talk to them.
00:16:34Ask them for identity papers.
00:16:36>> We do not grab people on street corners.
00:16:39Once again pursuant to our enforcement efforts, on another violation, you come across those that happto be here illegally.
00:16:50You can charge that with that state crime.
00:16:51>> Councilman, do you believe it will require some other crime to get the police involved?
00:16:55>> I think our history, unfortunately, has many, many exam pulls, not only in arizona but in other states that in the past, has allowed for the kind of subjection to this kind of discretion and it is very fortunate.
00:17:11As an american, I would walk or travel or drive through arizona with a sense of fear.
00:17:17A sense of caution.
00:17:19I would not feel, as if I have the liberty to be there because I'm vulnerable.
00:17:24I am vulnerable because of the way I look.
00:17:26>> Councilman, critics of the boycott say, among many things, say light is going to hurt latinos in the state of airs involved in the hospitality industry if tourists stop coming?
00:17:38>> You know boycotts have worked in history.
00:17:41DURING THE 60s.
00:17:41Civil rights movement, boycott of the bus system of alabama we, had freedom riders go in and try to look at what was discriminatory and racist, in the south.
00:17:51And it took that type of participation and involvement by the whole country to change that environment.
00:17:58>> I am going to tell you something.
00:18:00>> What you are seeing today is a sense of -- out rage and a sense of -- a sense of obligation by those of who have discretion, who have ability to make decisions on how we want to invest.
00:18:13>> We are going to get more people coming to arizona.
00:18:16Now they know it is going to be safe.
00:18:18That we do enforce the laws.
00:18:20We took an oath of office, like you did, too, I believe, to enforce all the laws.
00:18:25So if it is a violation on a law you should be enforcing those laws.
00:18:29If you have any in california.
00:18:31>> You believe, sheriff, this isn't going to hurt the state of arizona, you think you are going to get more people?
00:18:36>> When you look at the poll as the cross our nation.
00:18:39People are going to come here even more so knowing, it is a safe state, knowing that it is not a sanctuary state.
00:18:46And knowing that we enforce all the laws of this state.
00:18:50>> Councilman, ed reyes appreciate your time, and sheriff, as well.
00:18:55Thank you both.
00:18:55Up next, raw politics.
00:18:57Let us know what you think at ac306.com.
00:19:01A lot talking about this.
00:19:02Raw politics.
00:19:04Terrifying numbers, spell out the one thing democrat or republican, simply don't want to be.
00:19:08Not terrifying, more surprising.
00:19:11And what that deadly dangerous word is.
00:19:13Politically deadly.
00:19:14They join us after the break.
00:19:16Also, was that your scary face, paul?
00:19:19Wasn't sure.
00:19:20>> Terrified face.
00:19:21>> Terrified face.
00:19:22And crime and punishment, word that the trial has been delayed in the murder of lawrence king.
00:19:27A story we have been following.
00:19:29A gay teenager allegedly shot to death by a classmate.
00:19:32Talk to dr. phil.
00:19:33Talk about lawrence king's face about bullying.
00:19:36And whether schools know how to deal with the increasing number of gay kids openly expressing their sexuality.
00:19:42We'll be right back.
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00:22:210>>> In politics name calling can be high heart.
00:22:54The nastier the better often.
00:22:56This season the dirtiest name in politics seems to be incumbent.
00:23:00In the last week, two congressional veterans have been bounced.
00:23:05Bob bennett in utah and allen mulihan in west virginia.
00:23:10Next week, blanch lincoln and arlen specter, face steep odds in their own races.
00:23:16House speaker nancy pelosi today downplayed the obvious anti-incumbent mood, any directed at democrats.
00:23:23But the proof is going to be in the primaries.
00:23:25Joining us tonight, cnn contributor, paul begala, and alex castiliano.
00:23:35We talked how they may have to worry about the tea party.
00:23:37It looks like democratic voters may have just as much to worry about from their own base.
00:23:43>> Maybe not just as much.
00:23:44But something.
00:23:45Look at pennsylvania.
00:23:46Democrats after 36 years got arlen specter to switch parties.
00:23:50Always had been a moderate republican.
00:23:52Now a moderate conservative democrat.
00:23:54The president of the united states embraced and eed him.
00:24:04They don't like that specter vote ford bush tax cuts and other bush policies.
00:24:09You are going to get that sort of sorting out.
00:24:14>> Alex, we are seeing both parties affected by the anti-incumbent feeling.
00:24:22It helps republicans more than democrats.
00:24:24Can that translate into big change for the gop?
00:24:28>> It can translate between 50 and 70 seats, republican maze pick up in congress.
00:24:33A big wave.
00:24:34The word that is uglier than incumbent is insider.
00:24:38>> Washington insider.
00:24:39F you are an insider.
00:24:41A fellow told me, my candidate is one of us, your candidate is one of them.
00:24:47This year voters want to throw out one of them.
00:24:49If you are in washington fighting the establishment.
00:24:51You have a story.
00:24:52If you are running typical political commercials.
00:24:55I'm here in washington bringing home pork for you.
00:24:57You are going few get beat this year.
00:24:59>> You said no way when alex said how much republican seats could be gained.
00:25:03>> I was saying, oh, wow.
00:25:05Look, my three word strategy for the democrat has been build an ark.
00:25:14There is a wave coming.
00:25:14But noah did survive, he did build an ark.
00:25:18They're going to have to take on the establishment.
00:25:21In washington the establishment is not so much democrats as it is lobbyists.
00:25:26If democrats can show they're in fact frying to fight the corruption in the system.
00:25:30Corruption dominated by republican corporate lobbyists.
00:25:34>> They're all going to become corporate lobbyists once nay leave office.
00:25:38>> Not all of them.
00:25:42>> Paul, let's make sure we get at least two democrats on the ark so they can reproduce.
00:25:46>> We are good at that.
00:25:48We know how to make love not war.
00:25:50You've don't do either that well.
00:25:52>> Interesting thing, this year, barack obama has become george bush.
00:25:55Remember how the democrats were united and motivated just a couple years ago in the election.
00:26:00Because really democrats hated george bush.
00:26:03But now george bush is gone from the scene.
00:26:05Democrats don't have the unifying force.
00:26:07In stepped it is republicans and independents that have this fear of obama spending policies.
00:26:14That is uniting and motivating republicans to come out and vote.
00:26:17I think that's the wave.
00:26:18>> Alex, I want to show the viewers the commercial john McCAIN IS RUNNING.
00:26:23A new ad he released this week.
00:26:25Facing obviously an, he is an incumbent, facing a tough primary.
00:26:29Take a look.
00:26:30>> You bring troops, state, county, local law enforcement together and complete the dang fence.
00:26:36It will work this time.
00:26:37Senator, you are one of us.
00:26:40>> What do you make of that, complete the dang fence?
00:26:43>> I think we ought to check senator McCain's papers since it is arizona, make sure that is him.
00:26:49Because the that is a little DIFFERENT THAN THE john McCain we remember from a few years ago, fighting for immigration reform, not border security first.
00:26:58You know this is arizona.
00:26:59And arizona is on a state that is sitting on the border of a civil war, you pick up the paper rizona you will read a story about some parent's child getting shot in a car seat.
00:27:12As a pattern you go, oh, my god.
00:27:14That's why 70% of the state is supporting the changing the law down there even though, you know, a lot of us think this is not the right thing to do.
00:27:23You can understand why the state is in fear.
00:27:25That's what the campaign seems to be about down there.
00:27:27>> Paul, I mean, are voters right in asking who is john McCAIN AT THIS POINT?
00:27:32>> Yeah, the guy has got a tough race.
00:27:34I think alex points out, it is the truth.
00:27:39senator McCain did support progressive, comprehensive immigration reform.
00:27:43Good for him.
00:27:44Now he is in a tough fight.
00:27:49This a big deal.
00:27:53A tactical win to for the most aggressive enforcement of the border.
00:27:57It couldstrategic defeat.
00:28:04California, clinton carried it in '92.
00:28:07Until '94 when they had a very strong anti-immigration ballot initiative.
00:28:12Yes it re-elected the troubled incumbent governor for the republicans but put california in the democratic camp for a generation.
00:28:20If I were republican I would worry this stuff will work real well this year but could hurt for a lot of years to come.
00:28:27>> Of I think republicans need to worry about that, paul.
00:28:30Democrats need to worry the people who haven't built a fence, haven't enforced the borders really are the democrats.
00:28:36It is a federal responsibility.
00:28:37If we are going to be boycotting anyone it shouldn't be the state of airs where scared people are picking up their pitch forks, the wrong thing but to defend themselves and their families, they ought to be boycotting washington and the people who haven't enforced border security.
00:28:52>> How is it the democrats haven't built the fence?
00:28:55>> Because they're the ones, i think volted against a lot of this stuff.
00:28:59And instead they wanted a comprehensive reform.
00:29:01Yes you had a few republicans who wanted it that way.
00:29:05But really, republicans, I think en masse were saying border security first then let's talk about what we dupe with the people who are here.
00:29:12>> A lot of republicans voted against border security.
00:29:15They voted against border patrol.
00:29:17They voted against employer sanctions which is really where it begins to split the republican coalition.
00:29:22You know, the business elites, frankly they do well with low wage labor which is a lot of undocumented labor are.
00:29:32It splits them from the conservative base.
00:29:33Where the rubber meets the road for republicans.
00:29:36Fry to find republican whose will vote for sanctions on employers who knowingly -- >> for the last 20 years it's been the democratic party who wanted an open borders policy.
00:29:46There is a right and wrong way to come to america.
00:29:48We are a country with big hearts.
00:29:51But strong hands.
00:29:52And that's, that's their policy which is there is a right and wrong way to come to america.
00:29:57>> Big hearts but strong hands.
00:30:00Is that what you said?
00:30:01>> What america has been about.
00:30:03We welcome folks.
00:30:03We have laws and expect everyone to live by them.
00:30:06>> Thank you very much.
00:30:07Good conversation.
00:30:08Coming up.
00:30:09Three suspects arrested in the time square bomb plot.
00:30:15And how people may be involved in this thing.
00:30:17Check out the video.
00:30:197-Year-old girls, bumping and grinding to beyonce's "single " phil joins us and weighs in on that.
00:30:28Tonight's big 360 interview.
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00:32:57>>> Time now for the 360 bulletin.
00:33:02Joe johns joins us.
00:33:03>>> Federal agents today arrested thpects.
00:33:10The raids carried out three in northeastern states focused on the money trail, targeting cash curriers who may have helped finance the plot.
00:33:21>>> In thailand, a rogue army general leading anti-government red shirt movement, was shot in the head today, while speaking with foreign reporters.
00:33:29Warning the video we are about to show you is graphic.
00:33:32The sniper fire came as government officials prepared to blockade the protestors camp in bangkok.
00:33:39The general's injury was severe.
00:33:43>>> Attorney general andrew cuomo launched an investigation into eight top wall street firms.
00:33:48The probe will determine whether banks gave misleading information to credit agencies to inflate securities ratings.
00:33:56>>> Space shuttle "atlantis" will blast off tomorrow.
00:34:01The shuttle will deliver 3,000 pounds of food and laptop computers tour the international space station.
00:34:08Makes you wonder whether astronauts are pc guys or mac guys?
00:34:12>> I wonder.
00:34:13An alleged hate crime, stunned a beach town.
00:34:17A gay teenager shot dead in a classroom after being bullied for a long time.
00:34:21His accused killer was 14 at the time.
00:34:23New developments in the story coming up.
00:34:26 phil about lawrence king's case and whether schools are paying enough attention to bullying aimed at gay students.
00:34:34Is enough being done to protect them and understand what they're going through.
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00:36:57>>> An unexpected delay in a hate crime trial that is drawing national attention.
00:37:03In california the judge gave the defense team more time to prepare for his trial which was to begin tomorrow.
00:37:08It was postponed until july.
00:37:11We first reported on the story two years ago.
00:37:14The defendant was 14 when he allegedly shot a gay classmate at point-blank range.
00:37:20He is being tried as an adult.
00:37:22The teen killed, had been bullied nonstop.
00:37:25Here is randi kaye.
00:37:30>> Reporter: In a sea of students outside malibu, california thiseighth grader boy stood out.
00:37:39He came to school dressed as a girl, wore jewelry, make-up, even lipstick and mascara.
00:37:44Most days he showed up in high heeled boots.
00:37:47He asked his teachers to call him latisha.
00:37:51Instead of larry.
00:37:52Friends say larry was proud of who he was.
00:37:55Larry was gay.
00:37:56He had come out at age 10.
00:37:59Teachers and students say he frequently acted out.
00:38:01Making clear his sexual preference.
00:38:04That made some students so uncomfortable they bullied him his friend alexa chavez was one of the few who stuck up for him.
00:38:14>> They mocked him.
00:38:15Every time he came around they ran.
00:38:18And just painful things.
00:38:19Said painful things about him.
00:38:21>> Reporter: More than two years ago in february 2008, the bullying suddenly stopped not because larry was finally accepted but because he was dead.
00:38:30Murdered police say by a fellow student.
00:38:34That awful day began like any other tuking.
00:38:43They were in the computer labs so the students could type their papers.
00:38:47Larry was seated in the mid.
00:38:48HIS CLASSMATE, brian McErnerney behind him.
00:38:54Brandon stupd, pulled out a gun he managed to bring to school.
00:38:57They say he pointed the gun at the back of larry's head and fired a cording to some accounts, brandon dropped the gun and calmly left the classroom.
00:39:06Some one called 911.
00:39:07>> Okay, do you know where the person with the gun is?
00:39:10>> No.
00:39:12>> Who is the victim, is there a victim?
00:39:15>> I am on the phone with dispatch.
00:39:17>> Larry.
00:39:17>> Larry was rushed to the hospital.
00:39:19Cops picked up brandon within minutes.
00:39:22Just blocks from school.
00:39:24>> It's over.
00:39:25>> Reporter: The next day, larry was pronounced brain dead but kept alive for two days so his organs could be harvested.
00:39:32Brandon who turned 14 just weeks before the shooting is being tried as an adult, charged with first degree murder and a hate crime.
00:39:40And stands to get more than 50 years in prison.
00:39:43But he says, he is not guilty.
00:39:46Brandon's lawyer won't tell us what their defense might be.
00:39:49But in court, police testified that brandon may have been bullied too by larry in fact.
00:39:54Larry had reportedly told people the two were dating but had broken up.
00:39:58And just a couple days before the shooting classmates say larry had asked brandon to be his valentine.
00:40:04And brandon's friends joked the two would make gay babies together.
00:40:09On larry's final day, he left his make-up and high heels at home.
00:40:14And went to school wearing his uniform, just like everyone else.
00:40:18It is unclear why.
00:40:19But if he had decided to try and blend in, he never had a chance.
00:40:25Randi kaye, cnn, new york.
00:40:30>> The fact that a child could be murder in such a callus matter is simply hard to understand and hard to accept.
00:40:37Joining me for the big 360 interview.
00:40:41DR. phil McGraw.
00:40:42What you make of this?
00:40:43This young man brandon accused of shooting lawrence king was just 14 years old.
00:40:47What do you make of the way, he seemed to plan the murder, sit being hind king in class, shooting him twice and basically calmly walking out and telling police he did the shooting.
00:40:57>> I have to tell you this didn't happen in a vacuum.
00:41:01These teenagers, and more and more teenagers are coming out at young ages in school.
00:41:06And they're being targeted with all kinds of harassment, intimidation, and, and slurs.
00:41:13I mean, the average teenager that is, is gay, lesbian, bisexual or transgender and is out about it hears slurs 26 times a day.
00:41:24So that tells you that there is a mind set out there that can ramp up and lead to this kind of thing.
00:41:32This wasn't some random thing.
00:41:33I think this young man was targeted for that very specific reason.
00:41:37>> It is also the one slur, you know, using the f word against a student who identifies as gay or lesbian, it is still kind of accepted in a lot of areas and schools.
00:41:50If somebody use aid racial slur against a student they might be disciplined immediately.
00:41:55If it is a slur against a gay, lesbian or transgendered student it is kind of accepted.
00:42:01>> It is accepted.
00:42:03I don't want to throw a bunch of stats out.
00:42:06I want people few understand the gravity of what we are talking about.
00:42:1086% Of the teens say they are harassed on a daily basis, verbally.
00:42:15Half of them, 44% say they're physically harassed during the day.
00:42:18And here is an interesting statistic, over 80% of them say there is not one adult in the school situation that they consider to be supportive or helpful in any way.
00:42:30So, what we have got, anderson, we have these kids out there, that are terribly alone.
00:42:36They have got a two to three times the rate of suicide attempts.
00:42:41Because they feel so isolated.
00:42:43They feel so alone.
00:42:44And for some reason we're not stepping up and saying, "look, this is not okay.
00:42:50You have got to stop doing " and educating people and creating sensitivity so these kids aren't targeted like that.
00:42:59 phil in a moment.
00:43:02Join the live chat.
00:43:02 phil after the break about a youtube video that struck a lot of nerves with people.
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00:45:58>>> Want to show you a youtube video a lot of people have an opinion about.
00:46:03A dance competition routine set to beyonce's "single ladies" the girls apparently 7 years old.
00:46:10They're obviously very talented.
00:46:12But their adult moves and outfits.
00:46:15Are making a lot of people uncomfortable.
00:46:18I spoke to dr. phil about that.
00:46:19Here is part two of the 360 interview.
00:46:22There is a video circulating the last day or so out on youtube.
00:46:26Little girls dancing to "single ladies" beyonce.
00:46:29I want to show it to viewers if they haven't seen it.
00:46:32♪♪ All right single ladies ♪♪
00:46:35♪♪ all the single ladies ♪♪
00:46:38♪♪ all the single ladies ♪♪
00:46:40♪♪ well put your hands up ♪♪
00:46:47♪♪ in a club ♪♪
00:46:49>> you know these are 7-year-old girls at a dance competition an urban dance competition.
00:46:55What do you make of this?
00:46:57Obviously they're talented and stuff.
00:46:58But it just, to me it seems wildly inappropriate?
00:47:02>> Well, anderson, first let me say, if, if those five little girls are watching, you guys are talented, you have obviously worked hard, a lot of sweat, into this.
00:47:14But, come, anderson, I don't consider myself a prude.
00:47:17Come on.
00:47:18Here's what bothers me.
00:47:20You had five adults, at least, or both parents, in that case you would have ten, but a minimum of five adults here, five parents in the room watching these routines be rehearsed.
00:47:31Are you telling me that not one out of five stood up and said, "wait a minute.
00:47:37" these costumes are sexually provocative.
00:47:43The dance moves are sexually provocative.
00:47:46This is inappropriate at so many levels.
00:47:48I don't even know how to wrap my mind around it.
00:47:50I can tell you what -- if, if we had a way to track the pedophiles that are clicking on to this youtube video I bet you it its grand central station.
00:48:01This is so inappropriate in my view.
00:48:03I cannot believe that it was allowed to go on.
00:48:06>> I mean, this as society we don't like to talk about it.
00:48:09But there is, there are many cases of kids being sexualized in, you know in pop culture, you know you see it in, sometimes in the beauty pageants, little girls dancing around.
00:48:20Remember seeing video in a documentary about a girl dancing around to "let's get physical" by olivia newton john.
00:48:28It kind of boggles the mind.
00:48:30>> Here's the question, anderson -- I just had a granddaughter, so I am trying to get dialled into little girls.
00:48:37Because I raised two boys.
00:48:38I am new at the little girls having a granddaughter.
00:48:41Here its the question, where do they go from here?
00:48:44If you are doing this at 7, what are you going few do at 10, 12, 15?
00:48:54Where do they go from here?
00:48:55I think this is very inappropriate.
00:48:57Probably the little girls don't even get the nature of some of the moves that they're making, some of the things that they're doing.
00:49:05But others do.
00:49:06I think they're clearly being sexualized.
00:49:09Even if the little girls don't get it.
00:49:11>> Yeah, it's pretty basic stuff.
00:49:14 phil, let me ask you -- saw you got your mustache shaved.
00:49:19Is that a permanent thing.
00:49:21>> Oprah got after me last friday with a razor at radio city music hall.
00:49:25I have to tell you I feel like i got dressed and forgot something.
00:49:29Did I forget my shoes or my socks or something?
00:49:32I don't know.
00:49:34And, it was shaved off at like 10:20 eastern time.
00:49:3721, my wife robin said grow it back.
00:49:43>> Oh, no, really?
00:49:44>> I thinknixed the new look.
00:49:50>> Dr. phil, appreciate it.
00:49:52Thanks.
00:49:52>>> A teacher in texas severely beats her 13-year-old student while the rest of the class cheers her on.
00:49:58All captured on a cell phone camera.
00:50:00We'll show you the video.
00:50:01>>> Also something to make you smile before you go to bed.
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00:53:02>>> We're following a number of stories.
00:53:05Joe johns joins us with the 360 bulletin.
00:53:09Joe?
00:53:09>> A teer accused of beating a student.
00:53:14The teacher has been fired and could face criminal charges.
00:53:17The boy's family filed a lawsuit against the teacher and the school.
00:53:21A school spokesman said the teacher's actions violate the school's principles and quote, we would never tolerate anything like that on the part of a teacher.
00:53:30>>> A fugitive captured in cancun, mexico thanks to help from his facebook page.
00:53:37Pled guilty to fraud charges in seattle.
00:53:40He fled last year, investigators could not find him until he started posting status updates on facebook, saying how much fun he was having living in paradise.
00:53:51>>> Yeah, right.
00:53:52And say good-bye to annie, after 85 years, tribune media services is stopping newspaper syndication of the comic strip ON JUNE 13th.
00:54:02We are told, we had to use this line, the sun will come out tomorrow for annie when the tribune brings her to the internet.
00:54:10>> I was wondering what sort of pun or cliche or song title you would put in there.
00:54:18>> Just got few do it.
00:54:19>> Thanks, daddy warbucks.
00:54:20>> The newest youtube sensation, 12-year-old, sings lady gaga's song, "paparazzi" and gets more than 9 milliiews.
00:54:35Take a look.
00:54:38♪♪ Paint a picture of you ♪♪
00:54:41♪♪ it's so magical ♪♪
00:54:44♪♪ we'd be so fantastical ♪♪
00:54:48♪♪ leather and chains ♪♪
00:54:51♪♪ not sure what it means ♪♪
00:54:53♪♪ but this photo of us ♪♪
00:54:56♪♪ loving you is cherry pie ♪♪
00:54:59♪♪ because you're ♪♪
00:55:00>> he is really good.
00:55:02He gets better.
00:55:02Check it out on youtube.
00:55:04I like the kids in the background are all like, takes them a while to realize he is covering lady gaga, I think.
00:55:10They definitely got night.
00:55:12Ellen saw grayson's video and invited him on the show where he had a chance to talk to lady gaga, pretty cool.
00:55:19Amazing what kid sing is a song on youtube and suddenly on tv.
00:55:23Good for him.
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00:58:38A leading expert you will hear from in a minute, has examine ed this video of oil gushing into the gulf of mexico and what he says is horrifying.
00:58:46The leak which the coast guard estimates at 5,000 barrels a day could be far worse.
00:58:49Ten times worse.
00:58:50And that's the bottom end of his estimated range.
00:58:52Which means that this expert is talking about at a bare minimum the equivalent of one exxon valdez spill every four days.
00:59:02His name is steve werley, associate professor at purdue, he is with us by phone, and presidential historian and historian of the gulf coast environment, douglas brinkley.
00:59:13Professor, how do you get your calculations?
00:59:14How bad do you think this is?
00:59:19>> Well, I can, I can certainly explain, answer the first question.
00:59:21The second question, I guess i would have to leave to others.
00:59:25So to briefly walk you through where this calculation comes from, it's -- based on a measurement technique of fluid measurement technique, particle image velocity symmetry.
00:59:41Which is just a scientific word for measuring flows using, look at how fast particles move.
00:59:49>> You basically look at this for two hours, I understood.
00:59:52Measured the speed at which and rapidity at which particles were moving through this video.
01:00:00But because it was solid and you couldn't see all the way through you are giving yourself a 20% margin of error?
01:00:03>> That's right.
01:00:06When this technique is done correctly, in a laboratory setting, the window of error is very small.
01:00:20Say plus/minus 1%.
01:00:21Really hard, good engineering number.
01:00:22And because of the -- because of the various variables here, I'm not able to get, I'm not confident beyond plus or minus 20%.
01:00:30>> So the estimate of 5,000 gallons.
01:00:35You have -- a day -- you have no doubt that is way, way low.
01:00:38>> Right.
01:00:38>> You are saying it could be as high as 70,000?
01:00:41>> Well, I calculate from the video, which is just a snapshot in time, right, the video just shows what was happening I think it was shot the day before yesterday.
01:00:53So for that particular 30 seconds that the video was running, the -- the flow out of the pipe was 70,000 gallons per day.
01:01:04At the rate it was coming out was 70,000 gallons a day.
01:01:10>> I want to bring in doug brinkley on this -- doug, 70,000 gallons versus 5,000 gallons that is an extraordinary difference.
01:01:15>> It is certainly going to be more than 5,000.
01:01:18Now that we have the video of the gusher, not a spill, a gusher, people from woodshall laboratories in massachusetts, one of the finest places for oceanographic studies, the professors from florida, top people saying a lot more than british petroleum told us.
01:01:37>> I misspoke.
01:01:39I meant 5,000 barrels compared to 70,000 barrels.
01:01:46>> It's more than bp has told the public.
01:01:48Again they waited until after the congressional hearing this week.
01:01:52And now, we have got the video footage of what is going on undersea, for the first time.
01:01:55People are able to do calculations for themselves.
01:01:59We need more transparency out of british petroleum.
01:02:05It might be the time for the u.s.
01:02:07Government to appoint a navy admiral, get a flotilla in the region.
01:02:12If this much oil as professors, experts, oceanographers, are saying, is really spilling out, gushing out this is a federal crisis can't be dealt with on a corporate level.
01:02:22>> I want to read a statement from bp, quote, we have said all along there is no way to measure the leak.
01:02:29We are focused on stopping the leak and not measuring it.
01:02:32All along people have latched on to the idea of, 210,000 gallons a day, the number we are using.
01:02:41But if professor werely's calculations are correct, even his conservative calculations this is devastating.
01:02:46>> Well, you know, anderson, that bp has been low balling it from day one.
01:02:51They have, they have constantly, I have said this from the start, when I first went on your show, they don't seem to want to educate the public.
01:02:56They're in cover-up mode.
01:02:57They were from day one here.
01:02:59I think now the federal government has to come in.
01:03:02Every day the media, the public should be able to have a better idea of what is going on in the gulf.
01:03:11This doesn't have to be done in a cloak of secrecy.
01:03:15There are stories when oceanographers are trying to get near the site, dispersements are being dropped from the sky.
01:03:25We need how to get is our science community, university people involved.
01:03:27We have got to solve this.
01:03:27We just can't go on for week after week, and every day having, a bp being wrong about something.
01:03:30This is a company that really now has lost all public integrity.
01:03:34I think the federal government and the navy is going to have to get in a serious way.
01:03:40>> Professor werley, it's interesting, I expected bp to make a statement saying, look, these estimates are way off.
01:03:46They're not saying that at all.
01:03:47They're not saying this is wrong.
01:03:49They are saying we said all along there was no way to measure the like.
01:03:52You are saying there is a way to measure the leak?
01:03:57>> Yeah, so, I guess, I could see bp experts not being aware of this technique, this video.
01:04:06This technique that I use.
01:04:07They may not have been aware of that.
01:04:11>> You say the technique you use is pretty standard for measuring velocity of anything.
01:04:15Even -- >> yeah.
01:04:19>> -- For household products, right?
01:04:21>> Yeah, if you go to any major research university, you are going to find maybe five or ten people who do this.
01:04:28I happen to be an expert.
01:04:29I have written a book on the technique.
01:04:30You will find five to ten people who can do this.
01:04:31So, people are out there.
01:04:33>> So when they say there is no way to measure the leak, you are saying either they're just misinformed or something else?
01:04:39>> Yes.
01:04:43I guess I should say -- it's -- i, you know, maybe they're thinking about measure in terms of, how many gallons you put into your car.
01:04:53You measure that, three digits of precision on the gas pump.
01:04:55We are not anywhere near that.
01:04:58The 70,000 barrels a day is strictly an estimate.
01:05:02Like with the plus or minus 20% uncertainty on it.
01:05:09So, the fact that you can't measure it to a high degree of accuracy doesn't mean that you can't do a very good estimate of it.
01:05:16That's what I have done.
01:05:17>> Doug, moving forward, all of this talk of 200,000 gallons a day, 5,000 barrels a day, i mean, people have got to stop using those numbers.
01:05:27>> The numbers are wrong.
01:05:31We have got to stop using them.
01:05:33We have got to stop relying on british petroleum.
01:05:34We need transparency, not cover-up.
01:05:37And as the professor said we need our best oceanographers, our experts, on the site.
01:05:42British petroleum has done the quarantine.
01:05:45They really don't want people look ing at what they're doing.
01:05:47We are now so far down the line here the they have got to forget the legal fig leafs, stop worrying about being sued.
01:05:55And really open this up.
01:05:56We have a lot of great people in houston, at universities that want to get in there and help solve the problem.
01:06:02British petroleum has been blocking people saying we have got it under control.
01:06:06As we know they don't.
01:06:07And they're running a misinformation campaign.
01:06:10>> Got to leave it there.
01:06:11Doug brinkley, appreciate it.
01:06:13Professor werely, thank you.
01:06:16For your expertise tonight.
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01:06:22Are boycotts over arizona's immigration law, hurting latino immigrants?
01:06:27Did arizona bring it on themselves?
01:06:28We'll talk with a l.a.
01:06:31City councilman.
01:06:32Who helped pass l.a.'s boycott.
01:06:36And arizona's sheriff.
01:06:37They both join us live.
01:06:37>>> Later, big interview, dr.
01:06:38Phil on the murder of lawrence king, bullying in schools and the video that has the country talking.
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01:09:25>>> keeping them honest.
01:09:26Los angeles city council members, punishing arizona for their immigration law.
01:09:32Banning business with the state -- their rhetoric pretty inflammatory, comparing arizona to nazi germany, bringing up internment of japanese-americans during world war ii.
01:09:40>> Many of you know I am a very proud immigrant to this country.
01:09:44And I -- I see this not only as an affront to myself, to people who look like me, but it is an affront to all of us.
01:09:56>> If this was being proposed at the federal level, I would think we were absolutely at the very beginnings of what went on in nazi germany.
01:10:04It is not much different.
01:10:05Fortunately it is a state.
01:10:06This state needs to be stung in every possible way until they stop this behavior.
01:10:10>> The vote was 13-1.
01:10:12L.a.'s mayor expected to sign.
01:10:13Not the only city considering boycotts.
01:10:16Let's go over the map on the wall.
01:10:19Want to show you cities that are boycotting arizona or actively considering travel bans and the like.
01:10:25Let's take a look, in addition , san francisco, austin, paul, minnesota, chicago, boston, 19 big cities in all so far.
01:10:35New polling shows a majority of americans have a very different opinion.
01:10:36Take a look, some of the new polling out there.
01:10:38A pew research center survey showing 59% nationwide approve of the arizona law.
01:10:4332% Disapprove.
01:10:45Shrink that down.
01:10:48Move this across.
01:10:49Already, business is suffering in arizona.
01:10:5123 Conventions or other major events canceled since the immigration law was signed.
01:10:54That's $10 million in lost revenue.
01:10:59According to the arizona hotel and lodging association.
01:11:01And long-term what are we talking about?
01:11:02Long term, stakes are enormous.
01:11:04State tourism office says arizona got 102,000 visitors a day, every day in 2008.
01:11:11$5 Billion in travel and tourism related business earnings in 2008 and 166,900 jobs, many held by latinos.
01:11:23Here is the other map.
01:11:2823% Of visitors to arizona come from california.
01:11:30No other state even comes close.
01:11:31So, tonight, keeping them honest.
01:11:32We wanted to know, are l.a.
01:11:33Politicians trying to punish arizona in fact punishing a lot of latino workers?
01:11:37If they are should that matter?
01:11:41Digging deeper now with the city councilman, ed reyes and the sheriff of maricopa county.
01:11:49Councilman, a lot of critics say this is just political grandstanding, comparing what is going on in arizona to nazi germany, isn't that just -- do you really believe this is what, similar to nazi germany?
01:12:02>> Well put it this way.
01:12:03When you allow discrimination, when you allow an attack on a group of people, which is, what this law does, it is discriminatory, racial profiling.
01:12:13That's how you start establishing a second-class citizenship, create environments of fear and that's what the historical events begin with.
01:12:23That is the type of environment being created by this law.
01:12:25>> Sheriff?
01:12:26Go ahead.
01:12:27>> Yes.
01:12:28Please go ahead.
01:12:29>> I don't know if he read the law.
01:12:32 attorney general admitted today he hasn't read the law.
01:12:38So maybe your councilman should read the law, not overreact.
01:12:41We have many people from arizona going to california, to san diego, we are not talking about boycotting.
01:12:48So, understand the law.
01:12:50We do not racial profile.
01:12:52I have been called, a nazi, hitler every name in the book since enforcing the laws for three years.
01:12:57That's sad.
01:12:58It is hype.
01:13:00Everybody wants, by the way those cities you mention are all sanctuary cities and states.
01:13:05They want amnesty.
01:13:08So this is a political situation.
01:13:09>> The justice department is investigating your department now for racial profiling aren't they?
01:13:14>> Let me tell you, 60 days in the obama administration they launched a civil rights investigation against me.
01:13:20A year and a half.
01:13:22Once again, the attorney general of the united states is making comments about arizona has never read the law.
01:13:28Why don't people read the law and get the truth.
01:13:30>> Are you now being investigated?
01:13:32Wasn't there an investigation launched in march?
01:13:38>> I don't know.
01:13:39A year and a half.
01:13:40Nothing has happened.
01:13:40We're doing the right thing.
01:13:41We do not racial profile.
01:13:41And with the new law, it is in the law that you will never racial profile.
01:13:43Study the law.
01:13:44>> Councilman, why do you say it is racial profiling?
01:13:48>> First I did read the law.
01:13:50We had a top analyst read the law.
01:13:52We made it very clear, we want to be methodical.
01:13:58The fact is, there is so much gray area, so much subjectivity.
01:14:02If an officer doesn't like a certain event or appears on the scene and feels that someone is suspect that person could be deported.
01:14:11If I go there and I go ahead and with me or my passport, and, let's just say that -- they want to stop me for some reason, doesn't feel like i should be there or wants to move in the direct, that they want to deport me, they have the right to do that with this law.
01:14:32>> No, we have the right once you violate the law, I presume if you didn't violate any law you have nothing to worry about.
01:14:37When you violate the law, we do have a right to ask your identification, I can go on and on.
01:14:42>> Sheriff, if that is true then why do you need the law at all.
01:14:45That law already exists.
01:14:46If someone violates the law they can be stopped by the police and questioned.
01:14:50What a lot of opponents of this, as you just heard are saying, look, this doesn't require some violation of the law.
01:14:55This is really, a wide discretion for the police officer to decide that person looks suspicious.
01:15:00That person is hanging around, they look like an illegal immigrant.
01:15:03Therefore, I am going few talk to them because being an illegal immigrant is against the law.
01:15:16>> First of all, we do more than talk.
01:15:17If you are here illegally, you committed a state crime and you can go few jail.
01:15:19So we can take action where before that could not be done.
01:15:21We have to turn them over to i.c.e.
01:15:22>> What difference is there now?
01:15:22If somebody had violated a law, they could be legally stopped by the police prior to this.
01:15:30So it doesn't seem like in this, at least the critics of the law say look it doesn't require this person to have, been seen running away from the scene of a crime or, you know, be driving in a car with a broken tail light.
01:15:39They can just be stopped if they look like an illegal immigrant?
01:15:42>> No, not what they look like.
01:15:44We stop everybody.
01:15:45It doesn't matter where you are from what you look like.
01:15:49Once you stop them, now there is a new law that you can arrest them for being here illegally.
01:15:55We didn't have that before.
01:15:57>> So if a group of white people are hanging around on a street corner, or hanging around by a warehouse, you can just stop them and talk to them.
01:16:04Ask them for identity papers.
01:16:07>> We do not grab people on street corners.
01:16:11I said, once again, pursuant to our enforcement efforts, on another violation, you come across those that happen to be here illegally.
01:16:24You can charge them with that state crime.
01:16:25>> Councilman, do you believe it will require some other crime to get the police involved?
01:16:27>> I think our history, unfortunately, has many, many examples, not only in arizona but in other states that in the past, has allowed for the kind of subjection to this kind of discretion and it is very unfortunate.
01:16:43As an american, I would walk or travel or drive through arizona with a sense of fear.
01:16:47A sense of caution.
01:16:50I would not feel, as if I have the liberty to be there because I'm vulnerable.
01:16:54I am vulnerable because of the way I look.
01:16:57>> Councilman, critics of the boycott say, among many things, say look, it is going to hurt latinos in the state of arizona involved in the hospitality industry if tourists stop coming?
01:17:11>> You know boycotts have worked in history.
01:17:12DURING THE 60s.
01:17:13Civil rights movement, boycott of the bus system of alabama we, had freedom riders go in and try to look at what was discriminatory and racist, in the south.
01:17:24And it took that type of participation and involvement by the whole country to change that environment.
01:17:29>> I am going to tell you something.
01:17:30>> What you are seeing today is a sense of -- outrage and a discretion, who have ability to make decisions on how we want to invest.
01:17:43>> We are going to get more people coming to arizona.
01:17:49That we do enforce the laws.
01:17:51We took an oath of office, like you did, too, I believe, to enforce all the laws.
01:17:56So if it is a violation on a law you should be enforcing those laws.
01:17:59If you have any in california.
01:18:02>> You believe, sheriff, this isn't going to hurt the state of izona, you think you are going to get more people?
01:18:06>> When you look at the poll as -- polls across our nation, people are going to come here even more so knowing, it is a safe state, knowing that it is not a sanctuary state.
01:18:17And knowing that we enforce all the laws of this state.
01:18:24>> Councilman ed reyes appreciate your time, and sheriff, as well.
01:18:26Thank you both.
01:18:27Up next, raw politics.
01:18:27Let us know what you think at ac306.com.
01:18:30A lot talking about this.
01:18:35Up next the raw politics.
01:18:36Terrifying numbers, spell out the one thing democrat or republican, simply don't want to be.
01:18:39Not terrifying, more surprising.
01:18:42The numbers.
01:18:43Paul begala, and what that deadly dangerous word is.
01:18:46Politically deadly.
01:18:47They join us after the break.
01:18:48Also, was that your scary face, paul?
01:18:49Wasn't sure.
01:18:50>> Terrified face.
01:18:50>> Terrified face.
01:18:51All right.
01:18:53Also tonight, and crime and punishment, word that the trial has been delayed in the murder of lawrence king.
01:18:57A story we have been following.
01:18:59A gay teenager allegedly shot to death by a classmate.
01:19:01Talk to dr. phil.
01:19:07Talk about lawrence king's case, about bullying.
01:19:10And whether schools know how to deal with the increasing number of gay kids openly expressing their sexuality.
01:19:12We'll be right back.
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01:22:12>>> Just in to cnn here in new york.
01:22:15Emergency crews and bomb squad examining what local media is calling a suspicious vehicle, olds.
01:22:21Mobile, we understand with two gas canisters in the back and american flag, in irving place, manhattaneps away from union square, not far from new york university.
01:22:33Take a look at the scene.
01:22:35We believe the vehicle is outside the con-ed building, con-ed, local power company.
01:22:40Can't see much in the images.
01:22:42The building at 4 irving place, evacuated.
01:22:45As have other buildings nearby.
01:22:47Cnn producer on the scene.
01:22:50Julian, what are you seeing?
01:22:54>> We are on 14th and 3rd avenue.
01:22:58I can see traffic moving on union square, east, up, so three block radius, irving place.
01:23:10The hazmat team.
01:23:13And at this point, when i arrived, people filtering out of union square area which is a very busy transit hub, lots of train lines here.
01:23:22They're calling it a frozen zone at this point.
01:23:24>> Obviously the kind of thing given what happened in times square that police are very wary about, julian, but at this point, all we know, we want to be very cautious saying what we do know.
01:23:36A suspicious vehicle parked on the street.
01:23:39Do we know how the vehicle was spotted or how police came upon the vehicle?
01:23:43>> We don't know that.
01:23:44This is a time now where, times sqre bombing, where there have been aot o things like this in new york, a lot of instances.
01:23:53So, at this point, it is precautionary, but they never can tell.
01:23:58But, they do not know how the police, found the vehicle or found the vehicle, whether a pedestrian looking out, suspicious or anything of the nature.
01:24:09>> Julian, stay with us.
01:24:11I want to bring in cnn correspondent, susan candiotti, susan, you first told us this was an oldsmobile.
01:24:18What do you know now?
01:24:20>> That's right.
01:24:21It is a police official telling me that.
01:24:23But as you said, anderson, not much more than that do we know.
01:24:26We know there is an american sticker on the back of the car.
01:24:30Parked in the vicinity at con-ed building which has been evacuated.
01:24:35And that, at this point, it is a vehicle, not an suv.
01:24:39They're checking it out to see what they can find.
01:24:42They do know, but are not revealing what state the tags are from at this time.
01:24:47But as julian reported, there are vehicles going by here.
01:24:51Police officials are on the scene.
01:24:53I was told, look, everyone, we know that these things happen, have been happening a lot lately, we are here, we have to check them out.
01:25:01That's why they're on the, on site here to try to see exactly what this its all about.
01:25:08Yes, they have the bomb squad on the scene.
01:25:10>> For all we know at this point, this is just somebody who parked their olds.
01:25:15Mobile, that had two gas cans in the back on the street, correct?
01:25:20>> It could be.
01:25:21But they can't take any chances.
01:25:23Especially in light of what has happened on may 3rd, in times square.
01:25:29Clearly everyone is more on edge than they normally would be.
01:25:33But, as everyone here, calm, cool, collected as they go about their business.
01:25:37>> Appreciate it.
01:25:38As well as julian cummings on the scene.
01:25:41We'll follow the situation.
01:25:42Now back to our regular programming and "360" continues.
01:25:52I'm here in washington bringing home pork for you.
01:25:54You are going few get beat this year.
01:25:55>> You said no way when alex said how much republican seats could be gained.
01:25:57>> I was saying, oh, wow.
01:25:57Look, my three word strategy for the democrat has been build an ark.
01:25:59There is a wave coming.
01:26:03But noah did survive, he did build an ark.
01:26:08I think republicans can win.
01:26:08They're going to have to take on the establishment.
01:26:10In washington the establishment is not so much democrats as it is lobbyists.
01:26:14If democrats can show they're in fact frying to fight the corruption in the system.
01:26:17Corruption dominated by dare I say republican corporate lobbyists.
01:26:27>> Does anyone believe that?
01:26:28They're all going to become corporate lobbyists once they leave office.
01:26:33>> Not all of them.
01:26:33>> Paul, let's make sure we get at least two democrats on the ark so they can reproduce.
01:26:35>> We are good at that.
01:26:36We know how to make love not war.
01:26:39Y'all actually don't dupe either that well, if you ask me.
01:26:42>> Interesting thing, this year, barack obama has become george bush.
01:26:44Remember how the democrats were united and motivated just a couple years ago in the election.
01:26:49Because really democrats hated george bush.
01:26:53But now george bush is gone from the scene.
01:26:54Democrats don't have the unifying force.
01:26:59Instead, it's republicans and independents that have this fear of obama spending policies.
01:27:01That is uniting and motivating republicans to come out and vote.
01:27:05I think that's the wave.
01:27:06>> Alex, I want to show the viewers the commercial john McCAIN IS RUNNING.
01:27:11A new ad he released this week.
01:27:14Facing obviously an, he is an incumbent, facing a tough primary.
01:27:15Take a look.
01:27:18>> You bring troops, state, county, local law enforcement together and complete the dang fence.
01:27:24It will work this time.
01:27:26Senator, you are one of us.
01:27:29>> What do you make of that, complete the dang fence?
01:27:32>> I think we ought to check senator McCain's papers since it is arizona, make sure that is him.
01:27:40Because that is a little DIFFERENT FROM THE john McCain we remember from a few years ago, fighting for comprehensive immigration reform, not border security first.
01:27:52You know this is arizona.
01:27:52And arizona is on a state that is sitting on the border of a civil war, you pick up the paper in arizona you will read a story about some parent's child getting shot in their car seat.
01:28:06As a parent, you go, "oh, my " that's why 70% of the state is supporting the changing the law down there even though, you know, a lot of us think this is not the right thing to do.
01:28:13You can understand why the state is in fear.
01:28:14That's what the campaign seems to be about down there.
01:28:16>> Paul, I mean, are voters right in asking who is john McCAIN AT THIS POINT?
01:28:26>> Yeah, the guy has got a tough race.
01:28:27I think alex points out, it is the truth.
01:28:28senator McCain did support progressive, comprehensive immigration reform.
01:28:30Good for him.
01:28:31Now he is in a tough fight.
01:28:32This could be a big deal.
01:28:39Alex is alluding to this for the republicans.
01:28:43It is a tactical win to be for the most aggressive enforcement of the border.
01:28:47But it could be a strategic defeat.
01:28:51California was a reliably republican state, up until, clinton carried it in '92.
01:28:57Democrats hadn't carried it in four or five elections.
01:29:00Until '94 when they had a very strong anti-immigration ballot initiative.
01:29:02Yes it re-elected the troubled incumbent governor for the republicans but put california in the democratic camp for a generation.
01:29:07If I were republican I would worry, yeah, this stuff will work real well this year but could hurt us for a lot of years to come.
01:29:18>> I think republicans need to worry about that, paul.
01:29:20Democrats need to worry the people who haven't built a fence, haven't enforced the borders really are the democrats.
01:29:25It is a federal responsibility.
01:29:26If we are going to be boycotting anyone it shouldn't be the state of arizona, where scared people are picking up their pitch forks, the wrong thing but to defend themselves and their families, they ought to be boycotting washington and the people who haven't enforced border security.
01:29:39>> How is it the democrats haven't built the fence?
01:29:42>> Because they're the ones, i think voted against a lot of this stuff.
01:29:47And instead they wanted a comprehensive reform.
01:29:50Yes you had a few republicans who wanted it that way.
01:29:53But really, republicans, I think en masse were saying border security first then let's talk about what we dupe with the people who are here.
01:30:00>> A lot of republicans voted against border security.
01:30:03They voted against border patrol.
01:30:06They voted against employer sanctions which is really where it begins to split the republican coalition.
01:30:10You know, the business elites, frankly they do well with low wage labor which is a lot of undocumented workers are.
01:30:21And that splits them from their conservative base.
01:30:23That's where the rubber meets the road for republicans.
01:30:27You try to find republicans who will vote for sanctions on employers who knowingly -- >> for the last 20 years it's been the democratic party who wanted an open borders policy.
01:30:35And let anyone in.
01:30:35There is a right and wrong way to come to america.
01:30:37We are a country with big hearts.
01:30:38But strong hands.
01:30:41And that's, that's their policy which is there is a right and wrong way to come to america.
01:30:45>> Big hearts but strong hands.
01:30:46Is that what you said?
01:30:49>> What america has been about.
01:30:50We welcome folks.
01:30:52We have laws and expect everyone to live by them.
01:30:54>> Thank you very much.
01:30:55Good conversation.
01:30:56Coming up.
01:30:57Three suspects arrested in the time square bomb plot.
01:31:01Nabbed today in a multistate raid.
01:31:04What role they may have played?
01:31:05And how people may be involved in this thing.
01:31:06Check out the video.
01:31:077-Year-old girls, bumping and grinding to beyonce's "single " would you want your kids doing this?
01:31:12 phil joins us and weighs in on that.
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01:34:01Joe johns joins us.
01:34:02Joe?
01:34:03>>> Federal agents today arrested three suspects.
01:34:08Linked to the failed times square bombing.
01:34:09The raids carried out three in northeastern states focused on the money trail, targeting cash curriers who may have helped suspects shahzad finance the alleged plot.
01:34:22All three taken into custody are from pakistan.
01:34:24>>> In thailand, a rogue army general leading anti-government red shirt movement, was shot in the head today, while speaking with foreign reporters.
01:34:30Warning the video we are about to show you is graphic.
01:34:34The sniper fire came as government officials prepared to blockade the protestors camp in downtown bangkok.
01:34:42An aide said the general's injury was severe.
01:34:45>>> In new york, attorney general andrew cuomo launched an investigation into eight top wall street firms.
01:34:49The probe will determine whether banks gave misleading information to credit agencies to inflate securities ratings.
01:34:56>>> Space shuttle "atlantis" will blast off tomorrow.
01:35:01For its final voyage.
01:35:03The shuttle will deliver 3,000 pounds of food and laptop computers to the international space station.
01:35:10Makes you wonder whether astronauts are pc guys or mac guys?
01:35:12>> I wonder.
01:35:15All right, joe.
01:35:16Still ahead, an alleged hate crime, stunned a california beach town.
01:35:19A gay teenager shot dead in a classroom after being bullied for a long time.
01:35:22His accused killer was 14 at the time.
01:35:23New developments in the story coming up.
01:35:27>>> Plus, I will talk to dr.
01:35:30phil McGraw, about lawrence king's case and whether schools are paying enough attention to bullying aimed at gay students.
01:35:33Is enough being done to protect them and understand what they're going through?
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01:38:58>>> An unexpected delay in a hate crime trial that is drawing national attention.
01:39:03In california today, the judge gave the defense team for brandon macernerny, more time to prepare for his trial which was to begin tomorrow.
01:39:14It was postponed until july.
01:39:15We first reported on the story two years ago.
01:39:16The defendant was 14 when he allegedly shot a gay classmate at point-blank range.
01:39:20In front of his teacher in a room full of stuf dents.
01:39:23He is being tried as an adult.
01:39:24The teen killed, had been bullied nonstop.
01:39:27Here is randi kaye.
01:39:29With tonight's "crime and punishment" report.
01:39:31>> Reporter: In a sea of students outside malibu, california this eighth grader stood out.
01:39:37A boy who came to school dressed like a girl, 15-year-old larry king wore jewelry and make up, even lipstick and mascara.
01:39:44Most days he showed up in high heeled boots.
01:39:45He asked his teachers to call him latisha.
01:39:47Instead of larry.
01:39:49Friends say larry was proud of who he was.
01:39:54These photos are from his family's website.
01:39:55Larry was gay.
01:39:56He had come out at age 10.
01:39:59Teachers and students say he frequently acted out.
01:40:02Making clear his sexual preference.
01:40:04That made some students so uncomfortable they bullied him his friend alexa chavez was one of the few who stuck up for him.
01:40:14>> They just mocked him.
01:40:15Every time he came around they ran.
01:40:17And just painful things.
01:40:19Said painful things about him.
01:40:20>> Reporter: More than two years ago in february 2008, the bullying suddenly stopped not because larry was finally accepted but because he was dead.
01:40:31Murdered police say by a fellow student.
01:40:34That awful day began like any other tuesday for larry king.
01:40:41In english class with two dozen students and his teacher.
01:40:43They were in the computer labs so the students could type their papers.
01:40:47Larry was seated in the middle of the room.
01:40:49HIS CLASSMATE, brian McErnerney behind him.
01:40:53When suddenly police say brandon stood up and pulled out a gun he managed to bring to school.
01:40:57They say he pointed the gun at the back of larry's head and fired.
01:41:02According to some accounts, brandon dropped the gun and calmly left the classroom.
01:41:07Some one called 911.
01:41:08>> Okay, do you know where the person with the gun is?
01:41:10>> No.
01:41:13>> Who is the victim, is there a victim?
01:41:14>> I am on the phone with dispatch.
01:41:15>> Larry.
01:41:15>> Larry was rushed to the hospital.
01:41:18Cops picked up brandon within minutes.
01:41:20Just blocks from school.
01:41:22>> It's over.
01:41:23It's over.
01:41:24>> Reporter: The next day, larry was pronounced brain dead but kept alive for two days so his organs could be harvested.
01:41:31Brandon who turned 14 just weeks before the shooting is being tried as an adult, charged with first degree murder and a hate crime.
01:41:41And stands to get more than 50 years in prison.
01:41:44But he says, he is not guilty.
01:41:46Brandon's lawyer won't tell us what their defense might be.
01:41:49But in court, police testified that brandon may have been bullied too by larry in fact.
01:41:55Larry had reportedly told people the two were dating but had broken up.
01:41:58And just a couple days before the shooting classmates say larry had asked brandon to be his valentine.
01:42:05And brandon's friends joked the two would make gay babies together.
01:42:09On larry's final day, he left his make-up and high heels at home.
01:42:14And went to school wearing his uniform, just like everyone else.
01:42:18It is unclear why.
01:42:19But if he had decided to try and blend in, he never had a chance.
01:42:25Randi kaye, cnn, new york.
01:42:31>>> The fact that a child could be murder in front of a room full of peers in such a callus matter is simply hard to understand and hard to accept.
01:42:38Joining me for the big 360 interview.
01:42:39DR. phil McGraw.
01:42:41 phil, what you make of this?
01:42:43This young man brandon accused of shooting lawrence king was just 14 years old.
01:42:47What do you make of the way, he seemed to plan the murder, sit behind king in class, shooting him twice and basically calmly walking out and telling police he did the shooting.
01:42:56>> I have to tell you this didn't happen in a vacuum.
01:43:01These teenagers, and more and more teenagers are coming out at young ages in school.
01:43:05And they're being targeted with all kinds of harassment, intimidation, and, and slurs.
01:43:12I mean, the average teenager that is, is gay, lesbian, bisexual or transgender and is out about it hears slurs 26 times a day.
01:43:25So that tells you that there is a mindset out there that can ramp up and lead to this kind of thing.
01:43:31This wasn't some random thing.
01:43:33I think this young man was targeted for that very specific reason.
01:43:38>> It is also the one slur, you know, using the f word against a student who identifies as gay or lesbian, it is still kind of accepted in a lot of areas and schools.
01:43:52If somebody use aid racial slur against a student they might be disciplined immediately.
01:43:57But if it is a slur against a gay, lesbian or transgendered student it is kind of accepted.
01:44:00>> It is accepted.
01:44:02I don't want to throw a bunch of stats out here.
01:44:08But I do want people to understand the gravity of what we are talking about.
01:44:1186% Of the teens say they are harassed on a daily basis, verbally.
01:44:15Half of them, 44% say they're physically harassed during the day.
01:44:18And here is an interesting statistic, over 80% of them say there is not one adult in the school situation that they consider to be supportive or helpful in any way.
01:44:30So, what we have got, anderson, we have these kids out there, that are terribly alone.
01:44:37They have got a two to three times the rate of suicide attempts.
01:44:41Because they feel so isolated.
01:44:42They feel so alone.
01:44:43And for some reason we're not stepping up and saying, "look, this is not okay.
01:44:50You have got to stop doing " and educating people and creating sensitivity so these kids aren't targeted like that.
01:44:57 phil in a moment.
01:45:00You can join the livechat at ac360.com.
01:45:10 phil after the break about a youtube video that struck a lot of nerves with people.
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01:47:15>>> Want to show you a youtube video a lot of people have an opinion about.
01:47:20Certainly a lot of people have seen.
01:47:21A dance competition routine set " those girls are just apparently 7 years old.
01:47:27They're obviously very talented.
01:47:28But their adult moves and outfits are making a lot of people uncomfortable.
01:47:34I talked to dr. phil about that.
01:47:35Here is part two of the 360 interview.
01:47:40There is a video which has been circulating the last day or so out on youtube.
01:47:43Little girls dancing to "single ladies" beyonce.
01:47:44I want to show it to viewers if they haven't seen it.
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01:48:07>> you know these are 7-year-old girls at a dance competition an urban dance competition.
01:48:11What do you make of this?
01:48:13Obviously they're talented and stuff.
01:48:16But it just, to me it seems wildly inappropriate?
01:48:20>> Well, anderson, first let me inappropriate.
01:48:21>> Well, anderson, first, let me say if those five little girls are watching, you guys are talented.
01:48:29You obviously worked hard.
01:48:30A lot of sweat into this.
01:48:33But, anderson, I don't consider myself a prude.
01:48:36But come on, here's what bothers me.
01:48:39You had five adults, at least, or both parents, in their case ten, but a minimum of five adults here, five parents in the room watching these routines be rehearsed.
01:48:50Are you telling me that not one out of five stood up and said, wait a minute?
01:48:56What are we doing here?
01:48:58I mean these costumes are sexually provocative.
01:49:02The dance moves are sexually provocative.
01:49:05This is inappropriate at so many levels.
01:49:07I don't even know how to wrap my mind around it.
01:49:09But I can tell you what, if we had a way to track the pedophiles that are clicking on to this youtube video, I bet you it is grand central station.
01:49:20This is so inappropriate in my view.
01:49:22I cannot believe that it was allowed to go on.
01:49:24>> I mean this as a society, we don't like to talk about it, but there are many cases of kids being sexualized.
01:49:33And, you know, in pop culture.
01:49:35You see it in sometimes in these beauty pageants, little girls dancing around.
01:49:38I remember watching -- seeing a video and a documentary about a little girl dancing to "let's get physical" by olivia newton john.
01:49:46I mean it's kind of boggles the mind.
01:49:49>> And here's the question, anderson -- I just had a granddaughter.
01:49:53So I'm trying to get dialled in to little girls.
01:49:56I raised two boys.
01:49:59I'm new at the little girls here, having a granddaughter.
01:50:00But here's the question, where do they go from here?
01:50:03If you're doing this at 7, what do you do at 10?
01:50:08What do do you at 12?
01:50:09What do you do at 15?
01:50:11I mean where do they go from here?
01:50:12I think this is -- I think this is very inappropriate.
01:50:15And probably the little girls don't even get the nature of some of the moves that they're making, some of the things that they're doing.
01:50:24But others do.
01:50:25And I think they're clearly being sexualized, even if the little girls don't get it.
01:50:29>> Yeah.
01:50:30It's pretty amazing stuff.
01:50:31Dr. phil, appreciate your time.
01:50:33Let me ask you, I saw you got your mustache shaved.
01:50:36Is that a permanent thing?
01:50:38Does it feel weird?
01:50:39>> Oprah got after me last friday with a razor at radio city music hall.
01:50:44I have to tell you, I feel like I got dressed and forgot something.
01:50:49I did forget my shoes or my socks?
01:50:51I don't know.
01:50:53And it was shaved off at like 10:20 eastern time.
01:50:5621 my wife robin said, grow it back.
01:51:00>> Really?
01:51:02>> I think she's nicked the new look.
01:51:07>> Thank you, appreciate it.
01:51:08>> Thanks, anderson.
01:51:10>>> Up next, perry's principles.
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01:54:47>>> In tonight's "perry's principles," steve perry takes us to a california school where parents play a huge role.
01:54:55Parent participation seems to be the school's dna.
01:54:57So how did they get there?
01:54:58As a principal who achieved extraordinary results himself, steve perry is the perfect person to investigate.
01:55:06Here's his report.
01:55:06>> Reporter: Welcome to los angeles.
01:55:07We're here this morning at overland elementary school.
01:55:10Ready to discuss how to involve parents in child's education with principal and some of the parents.
01:55:17Good morning.
01:55:18>> Good morning.
01:55:18Nice to meet you.
01:55:19Steve perry.
01:55:20>> Welcome.
01:55:21>> Reporter: What is it that you do to get your parents involved in your children's day?
01:55:25>> Well, the parents are involved in every aspect of the school.
01:55:30All the way frobeginning of the day with the dropoff lane.
01:55:34The parents facilitate the traffic flow in the morning as the children are dropped off.
01:55:38And they'll open the doors with the mother and say good morning.
01:55:43Welcome them to school.
01:55:44>> I think at our school it starts with an administration that's open to having parents on campus.
01:55:51And let's parents contribute where they can contribute instead of setting really strict boundaries about what we're allowed to do.
01:55:58>> Reporter: Do you really have an arm chart?
01:56:00>> The pta has an arm chart.
01:56:03We have an arts committee, library committee, safety committee that works hand in hand with our staff to make sure that earthquake supplies are ready.
01:56:12We have a science committee.
01:56:13We have a technology committee together with our technology coordinator from the school, they write a technology plan.
01:56:20>> The parents fundraise annually to support instruction throughout the school.
01:56:25We fund a science lab coordinator which is a new program that came on campus.
01:56:30>> Reporter: How many staff do you provide support for?
01:56:32>> Including teachers aides, you know, at least ten to a dozen.
01:56:36>> You raise enough money annually to do -- to take on endeavors such as building this that is ground zero, by the way, for educational cuts.
01:56:55>> The things we also tried to do, within the fund-raising, it's fund-raising for the school.
01:57:00It's not fund-raising for, you know, this grade or that grade or this program or the administration.
01:57:10Teachers, other parent academic bodies then decide how that money is going to be spent.
01:57:20>> They understand money at many different levels.
01:57:23I'm fortunate that many of my parents are -- understand that you're not going to get that much from a bake sale as much as you're going to get that much from saying reaching out to a corporate donor.
01:57:35>> I wanted to be a part of the thing that protected my biggest investment which was my children.
01:57:40You know, why would I not want to contribute to an organization or a group that was molding my biggest investment?
01:57:48>> Reporter: So people watching this and they're going to say oh, yeah, they can do it because they have time.
01:57:53I'm busy.
01:57:54I'm too busy to be at my children's school.
01:57:57What do you say to them?
01:57:58>> You don't have to be here physically to help.
01:58:02You can talk to the teachers.
01:58:04They might need helping xeroxing papers.
01:58:06They may need help in calling parents to organize a field trip.
01:58:11But because I have the time to do it -- I come on my lunch hour, actually.
01:58:16And that's my time.
01:58:17>> Does it make your job easier
00:00:00Image velocity symmetry.
00:00:05Scientific word for measuring flows using, look at how fast particles move.
00:00:10>> You basically look at this for two hours, I understood.
00:00:13Measured the speed at which and rapidity at which particles were moving through this video.
00:00:19Because is was solid, you couldn't see all the way through you are giving yourself a 20% margin of error?
00:00:26>> That's right.
00:00:28When this technique is done correctly, in a laboratory setting, the window of error is very small.
00:00:34Say, plus, minus 1%.
00:00:36Really hard, good engineering number.
00:00:40And because of the -- because of the various variables here, I'm not able to get, I'm not confident beyond plus or minus 20%.
00:00:47>> So the estimate of 5,000 gallons.
00:00:52A day you, have no doubt that is way, way low.
00:00:54>> Right.
00:00:55>> You are saying it could be as high as 70,000?
00:00:58>> Well, I calculate from the video, which is just a snapshot in time, right, the video just shows what was happening I think it was shot the day before yesterday.
00:01:10So for that particular 30 seconds that the video was running, the -- the flow out of the pipe was 70,000 gallons per day.
00:01:19At the rate it was coming out was 70,000 gallons a day.
00:01:20>> I want to bring in dug brinkley.
00:01:2170,000 Gallons versus 5,000 gallons that is an extraordinary difference.
00:01:29>> It is certainly going to be more than 5,000.
00:01:30We have the video of the gusher, not a spill, a gusher, people from a laboratories in massachusetts, one of the finest places for professors from florida, top people saying a lot more than british petroleum told us.
00:01:52>> I misspoke.
00:01:56Sigh meant 5,000 barrels compared to 70,000 barrels.
00:01:59Not gallons.
00:02:00>> It's more than bp has told the public.
00:02:02Again they waited until after the congressional hearing this week.
00:02:10And now, we have got the video footage of what is going on undersea, for the first time.
00:02:13People are able to do calculations for themselves.
00:02:16We need more transparency out of british petroleum.
00:02:19Might be the time for the government to appoint a navy admiral, get a flotilla in the region.
00:02:28If this much oil as professors, experts, ocean graphers is really spilling out, gushing out this is a federal crisis can't be dealt with on a corporate level.
00:02:38>> Want to read a statement from bp, quote, we have said all along there is no way to measure the like.
00:02:45We are focused on stopping the like and not measuring it.
00:02:47All along people have latched on to the idea of, 210,000 gallon is a day, the number we have been using.
00:02:52But if professor werely's calculations are correct, conservative calculations this is devastating.
00:02:59>> Well, you know, anderson, that bp has been low balling it from day one.
00:03:03They have, they have constantly, I have said this from the start, when I first went on your show, they don't seem to want to educate the public.
00:03:09They're in cover-up mode.
00:03:13They were from day one here.
00:03:15I think now the federal government has to come in.
00:03:21Every day the media, the public should be able to have a belter idea what is going on in the gulf.
00:03:28Doesn't have to be done in a cloak of secrecy.
00:03:33There are stories when oceangraphers are trying how to get near the site.
00:03:40We need how to get is our science community, university people involved.
00:03:49We have got to solve this.
00:03:51We just can't go on for week after week, and every day having, a bp being wrong about something.
00:03:58This is a company that really now has lost all public integrity.
00:04:04I think the federal government and the navy is going to have to get in a serious way.
00:04:07>> Professor werel ycht, it's interesting.
00:04:11I expected bp to make a statement saying, look, these estimates are way off.
00:04:17They're not saying that at all.
00:04:18They're not saying this is wrong.
00:04:26They are saying we said all along there was no way to measure the like.
00:04:32You are saying there is a way to measure the like?
00:04:35>> Yeah, so, I guess, I could see bp experts not being aware of this technique, this video.
00:04:42This technique that I use.
00:04:46They may not have been aware of that.
00:04:51>> You say the technique you use is pretty standard for measuring velocity of anything.
00:04:55>> Yeah.
00:04:59>> For household products, right?
00:05:01>> Yeah, if you go to any major research university, you are going to find maybe five or ten people who do this.
00:05:09I happen to be an expert.
00:05:11I have written a book on the technique.
00:05:15You will find five to ten people who can do this.
00:05:17So, people are out there.
00:05:18>> So when they say there is no way to measure the like, you are saying either they're just misinformed or something else?
00:05:30>> Yes.
00:05:32I guess I should say -- it's -- i, you know, maybe they're thinking about measure in terms of, how many gallons you put into your car.
00:05:42You measure that, three digits of precision on the gas pump.
00:05:45We are not anywhere near that.
00:05:47The 70,000 barrels a day is strictly an estimate.
00:05:53Like with the plus or minus 20% uncertainty on it.
00:05:54So, the fact that you can't measure it to a high degree of accuracy doesn't mean that you can't do a very good estimate of it.
00:06:06That's what I have done.
00:06:08>> Doug, moving forward, all of this talk of 200,000 gallons a day, 5,000 barrels a day, i mean, people have got to stop using those numbers.
00:06:12>> The numbers are wrong.
00:06:13We have got few stop using them.
00:06:14We have got to stop relying on british petroleum.
00:06:15We need transparency, not cover-up.
00:06:16And as the professor said we need our best oceanoographers on the site.
00:06:18British petroleum has done the quarantine.
00:06:19They don't want people looking at what they're doing.
00:06:21We are now so far down the line here the they have got to forget the legal fig leafs, stop worrying about being sued.
00:06:25And open this up.
00:06:25We have a lot of great people in houston, at universities that want to get in there and help solve the problem.
00:06:28British petroleum has been blocking people saying we have got it under control.
00:06:30As we know they don't.
00:06:30And they're running a misinformation campaign.
00:06:31>> Got to leave it there.
00:06:32Doug brinkley, appreciate it.
00:06:33Professor werely, thank you.
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00:06:37Are boycotts over arizona's immigration law, hurting latino immigrants.
00:06:40Did arizona bring it on themselves?
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00:06:46And arizona sheriff.
00:06:47They both join us live.
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00:09:57>>> Keeping them honest.
00:09:57Los angeles city council members, punishing arizona for their immigration law.
00:09:59Their rhetoric pretty inflammatory, comparing arizona to nazi germany, bringing up internment of japanese-americans during world war ii.
00:10:04>> Many of you know I am a very proud immigrant to this country.
00:10:08And I -- I see this not only as an affront to myself, to people who look like me, but it is an affront to all of us.
00:10:24>> If this was being proposed at the federal level, I would think we were absolutely at the very beginnings of what went on in nazi germany.
00:10:31It is not much different.
00:10:33Fortunately it is a state.
00:10:36This state needs to be stung in every possible way until they stop this behavior.
00:10:41>> The vote was 13-1.
00:10:42L.a.'s mayor expected to sign.
00:10:43Not the only city considering boycotts.
00:10:44Let's go over the map on the wall.
00:10:46Want to show you cities that are boycotting arizona or actively considering travel bans and the like.
00:10:53Let's take a look, in addition , san francisco, austin, texas, saint paum, chicago, boston, 19 big cities in all so far.
00:11:03New polling shows a majority of americans have a very different opinion.
00:11:06Take a look, some of the new polling out there.
00:11:13A pugh research center survey showing 59% nationwide approve of the arizona law.
00:11:1732% Disapprove.
00:11:18Shrink that down.
00:11:21Business is suffering in arizona.
00:11:2323 Conventions or other major events canceled since the immigration law was signed.
00:11:31That's $10 million in lost revenue.
00:11:35According to the airs hotel and lodging association.
00:11:40And long-term what are we talking about?
00:11:42Long term, stakes are enormous.
00:11:44State tourism office says arizona got 102,000 visitors a day, every day in 2008.
00:11:49$5 Billion in travel and tourism related business earnings in 2008 and 166,900 jobs, many held by latinos.
00:11:59Here is the other map.
00:12:0223% Of visitors to airs come from california.
00:12:04No other state even comes close.
00:12:07So, tonight, keeping them honest.
00:12:11We wanted to know, are l.a.
00:12:13Politicians trying to punish arizona in fact punishing a lot of latino workers?
00:12:18If they are should that matter?
00:12:20Digging deeper now with the councilman, ed reyes and the sheriff of maricopa county.
00:12:26Councilman, a lot of critics say this is just political grandstanding, comparing what is going on in arizona to nazi germany, isn't that just -- do you really believe this is what, similar to nazi germany?
00:12:38>> Well put it this way.
00:12:40When you allow discrimination, when you allow an attack on a group of people, which is, what this law does, it is discriminatory, racial profiling.
00:12:49That's how you start establishing a second-class citizenship, create environments of fear and that's what the historical events begin with.
00:12:55That is the type of environment being created by this law.
00:12:57>> Sheriff?
00:12:57Go ahead.
00:12:58>> Yes.
00:12:59Please go ahead.
00:13:00>> I don't know if he read the law.
00:13:04 attorney general admitted to day he hasn't read the law.
00:13:07So maybe your councilman should read the law, not overreact.
00:13:09We have many people from arizona going to california, to san diego, we are not talking about boycotting.
00:13:19So, understand the law.
00:13:20We do not racial profile.
00:13:22I have been called, a nazi, hitler every name in the book since enforcing the laws for three years.
00:13:27That's sad.
00:13:28It is hype.
00:13:33Everybody wants, by the way those cities you mention are all sanctuary cities and states.
00:13:36They want amnesty.
00:13:38So this is a political situation.
00:13:41>> The justice department is investigating your department now for racial profiling aren't they?
00:13:49>> Let me tell you, 60 days in the obama administration they launched a civil rights investigation against me.
00:13:54A year and a half.
00:13:55Once again, the attorney general of the united states is making comments about arizona has never read the law.
00:14:03Why don't people read the law and get the truth.
00:14:05>> Are you now being investigated?
00:14:06Wasn't there an investigation launched in march?
00:14:09>> I've don't know.
00:14:10A year and a half.
00:14:10Nothing has happened.
00:14:12We're doing the right thing.
00:14:12We do not racial profile.
00:14:13And with the new law, it is in the law that you will never racial profile.
00:14:15Study the law.
00:14:15>> Councilman, why do you say it is racial profiling?
00:14:18>> First I did read the law.
00:14:19We had a top analyst read the law.
00:14:26We made it very clear, we want to be methodical.
00:14:29There is so much gray area, so much subjectivity.
00:14:35If an officer doesn't like a certain event or appears on the scene and feels that someone is suspect that person could be deported.
00:14:41If I go there and I go ahead and with me or my passport, and, let's just say that -- they want to stop me for some reason, doesn't feel like i should be there or wants to move in the direct, that they want to deport me.
00:14:51They have the right to do that with this law.
00:14:54>> No, we have the right once you violate the law, I presume if you didn't violate any law you have nothing to worry about.
00:15:00When you violate the law, we do have a right to ask your identification, I can go on and on.
00:15:05>> Sheriff, if that is true then why do you need the law at all.
00:15:09That law already exists.
00:15:11If someone violates the law they can be stopped by the police and questioned.
00:15:14What a lot of opponents of this, as you just heard are saying, look, this doesn't require some violation of the law.
00:15:20This is really, a wide discretion for the police officer to decide that person looks suspicious.
00:15:24That person is hanging around, they look like an illegal immigrant.
00:15:27Therefore, I am going few talk to them because being an illegal immigrant is a gainst the law.
00:15:37>> First we do more than talk.
00:15:39If you are here illegally, you committed a state crime and you can go few jail.
00:15:44So we can take action where before that could not be done.
00:15:47We have to turn them over to i.c.e.
00:15:50>> What difference is there now?
00:15:51If somebody had violated a law, they could be legally stopped bipt police prior to this.
00:15:57So it doesn't seem like in this, at least the critics of the law say look it doesn't require this person to have, been seen running away from the scene of a crime or, you know, be driving in a car with a broken tail light.
00:16:13They can just be stopped if they look like an illegal immigrant?
00:16:15>> No, not what they look like.
00:16:15We stop everybody.
00:16:17It doesn't matter where you are from what you look like.
00:16:19Once you stop them, now there is a new law that you can arrest them for being here illegally.
00:16:24Weidn't have that before.
00:16:26>> So if a group of white people are hanging around on a street corner, or hanging around by a warehouse, you can just stop them and talk to them.
00:16:35Ask them for identity papers.
00:16:36>> We do not grab people on street corners.
00:16:39Once again pursuant to our enforcement efforts, on another violation, you come across those that happen to be here illegally.
00:16:46You can charge that with that state crime.
00:16:48>> Councilman, do you believe it will require some other crime to get the police involved?
00:16:57>> I think our history, unfortunately, has many, many scam examples, not only in arizona but in other states that in the past, has allowed for the kind of subjection to this kind of discretion and it is very fortunate.
00:17:15As an american, I would walk or travel or drive through arizona with a sense of fear.
00:17:21A sense of caution.
00:17:23I would not feel, as if I have the liberty to be there because I'm vulnerable.
00:17:28I am vulnerable because of the way I look.
00:17:32>> Councilman, critics of the boycott say, among many things, say light is going to hurt latinos in the state of airs involved in the hospitality industry if tourists stop coming?
00:17:44>> You know boycotts have worked in history.
00:17:46DURING THE 60s.
00:17:48Civil rights movement, boycott of the bus system of alabama we, had freedom riders go in and try to look at what was discriminatory and racist, in the south.
00:17:57And it took that type of participation and involvement by the whole country to change that environment.
00:18:03>> I am going to tell you something.
00:18:06>> What you are seeing today is a sense of -- out rage and a sense of -- a sense of obligation by those of who have discretion, who have ability to make decisions on how we want to invest.
00:18:18>> We are going to get more people coming to arizona.
00:18:19Now they know it is going to be safe.
00:18:20That we do enforce the laws.
00:18:21We took an oath of office, like you did, too, I believe, to enforce all the laws.
00:18:25So if it is a violation on a law u should be enforcing those laws.
00:18:30If you have any in california.
00:18:31>> You believe, sheriff, this isn't going to hurt the state of arizona, you think you are going to get more people?
00:18:37>> When you look at the poll as the cross our nation.
00:18:38People are going to come here even more so knowing, it is a safe state, knowing that it is not a sanctuary state.
00:18:44And knowing that we enforce all the laws of this state.
00:18:46>> Councilman, ed reyes appreciate your time, and sheriff, as well.
00:18:53Thank you both.
00:18:54Up next, raw politics.
00:18:56Let us know what you think at ac306.com.
00:18:59A lot talking about this.
00:19:01Raw politics.
00:19:04Terrifying numbers, spell out the one thing democrat or republican, simply don't want to be.
00:19:09Not terrifying, more surprising.
00:19:11And what that deadly dangerous word is.
00:19:13Politically deadly.
00:19:14They join us after the break.
00:19:17Also, was that your scary face, paul?
00:19:21Wasn't sure.
00:19:23>> Terrified face.
00:19:23>> Terrified face.
00:19:25And crime and punishment, word that the trial has been delayed in the murder of lawrence king.
00:19:28A story we have been following.
00:19:29A gay teenager allegedly shot to death by a classmate.
00:19:31Talk to dr. phil.
00:19:33Talk about lawrence king's face about bullying.
00:19:36And whether schools know how to deal with the increasing number of gay kids openly expressing their sexuality.
00:19:39We'll be right back.
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00:22:190>>> In politics name calling can be high heart.
00:22:21The nastier the better often.
00:22:21This season the dirtiest name in politics seems to be incumbent.
00:22:23In the last week, two congressional veterans have been bounced.
00:22:26Bob bennett in utah and allen mulihan in west virginia.
00:22:28Next week, blanch lincoln and arlen specter, face steep odds in their own races.
00:22:30House speaker nancy pelosi today downplayed the obvious anti-incumbent mood, any directed at democrats.
00:22:37But the proof is going to be in the primaries.
00:22:38Joining us tonight, cnn contributor, paul begala, and alex castiliano.
00:22:43We talked how they may have to worry about the tea party.
00:22:47It looks like democratic voters may have just as much to worry about from their own base.
00:22:52>> Maybe not just as much.
00:22:54But something.
00:22:54Look at pennsylvania.
00:22:56Democrats after 36 years got arlen specter to switch parties.
00:22:59Always had been a moderate republican.
00:23:01Now a moderate conservative democrat.
00:23:04The president of the united states embraced and endorsed him.
00:23:07They don't like that specter vote ford bush tax cuts and other bush policies.
00:23:10You are going to get that sort of sorting out.
00:23:11>> Alex, we are seeing both parties affected by the anti-incumbent feeling.
00:23:13It helps republicans more than democrats.
00:23:15Can that translate into big change for the gop?
00:23:18>> It can translate between 50 and 70 seats, republican maze pick up in congress.
00:23:22A big wave.
00:23:24The word that is uglier than incumbent is insider.
00:23:28>> Washington insider.
00:23:30>> If you are an insider.
00:23:31A fellow told me, my candidate is one of us, your candidate is one of them.
00:23:34This year voters want to throw out one of them.
00:23:38If you are in washington fighting the establishment.
00:23:41You have a story.
00:23:43If you are running typical political commercials.
00:23:47I'm here in washington bringing home pork for you.
00:23:54You are going few get beat this year.
00:23:56>> You said no way when alex said how much republican seats could be gained.
00:24:05>> I was saying, oh, wow.
00:24:06Look, my three word strategy for the democrat has been build an ark.
00:24:10There is a wave coming.
00:24:12But noah did survive, he did build an ark.
00:24:16They're going to have to take on the establishment.
00:24:21In washington the establishment is not so much democrats as it is lobbyists.
00:24:27If democrats can show they're in fact frying to fight the corruption in the system.
00:24:32Corruption dominated by republican corporate lobbyists.
00:24:36>> They're all going to become corporate lobbyists once nay leave office.
00:24:44>> Not all of them.
00:24:45>> Paul, let's make sure we get at least two democrats on the ark so they can reproduce.
00:24:49>> We are good at that.
00:24:50We know how to make love not war.
00:24:55You've don't do either that well.
00:24:57>> Interesting thing, this year, barack obama has become george bush.
00:25:01Remember how the democrats were united and motivated just a couple years ago in the election.
00:25:07Because really democrats hated george bush.
00:25:10But now george bush is gone from the scene.
00:25:15Democrats don't have the unifying force.
00:25:19In stepped it is republicans and independents that have this ar of obama spending policies.
00:25:26That is uniting and motivating republicans to come out and vote.
00:25:33I think that's the wave.
00:25:34>> Alex, I want to show the viewers the commercial john McCAIN IS RUNNING.
00:25:37A new ad he released this week.
00:25:39Facing obviously an, he is an incumbent, facing a tough primary.
00:25:45Take a look.
00:25:47>> You bring troops, state, county, local law enforcement together and complete the dang fence.
00:25:53It will work this time.
00:25:55Senator, you are one of us.
00:25:57>> What do you make of that, complete the dang fence?
00:26:00>> I think we ought to check senator McCain's papers since it is arizona, make sure that is him.
00:26:06Because the that is a little DIFFERENT THAN THE john McCain we remember from a few years ago, fighting for immigration reform, not border security first.
00:26:14You know this is arizona.
00:26:16And arizona is on a state that is sitting on the border of a civil war, you pick up the paper in arizona you will read a story about some parent's child getting shot in a car seat.
00:26:30As a pattern you go, oh, my god.
00:26:32That's why 70% of the state is supporting the changing the law down there even though, you know, a lot of us think this is not the right thing to do.
00:26:48You can understand why the state is in fear.
00:26:50That's what the campaign seems to be about down there.
00:26:53>> Paul, I mean, are voters right in asking who is john McCAIN AT THIS POINT?
00:26:59>> Yeah, the guy has got a tough race.
00:27:02I think alex points out, it is the truth.
00:27:05senator McCain did support progressive, comprehensive immigration reform.
00:27:12Good for him.
00:27:13Now he is in a tough fight.
00:27:15This could be a big deal.
00:27:18A tactical win to be for the most aggressive enforcement of the border.
00:27:25It couldstrategic defeat.
00:27:27California, clinton carried it in '92.
00:27:30Until '94 when they had a very strong anti-immigration ballot initiative.
00:27:35Yes it re-elected the troubled incumbent governor for the republicans but put california in the democratic camp for a generation.
00:27:43If I were republican I would worry this stuff will work real well this year but could hurt for a lot of years to come.
00:28:03>> Of I think republicans need to worry about that, paul.
00:28:06Democrats need to worry the people who haven't built a fence, haven't enforced the borders really are the democrats.
00:28:15It is a federal responsibility.
00:28:16If we are going to be boycotting anyone it shouldn't be the state of airs where scared people are picking up their pitch forks, the wrong thing but to defend themselves and their families, they ought to be boycotting washington and the people who haven't enforced border security.
00:28:26>> How is it the democrats haven't built the fence?
00:28:28>> Because they're the ones, i think voted against a lot of this stuff.
00:28:32And instead they wanted a comprehensive reform.
00:28:33Yes you had a few republicans who wanted it that way.
00:28:35But really, republicans, I think en masse were saying border security first then let's talk about what we dupe with the people who are here.
00:28:40>> A lot of republicans voted against border security.
00:28:43They voted against border patrol.
00:28:46They voted against employer sanctions which is really where it begins to split the republican coalition.
00:28:53You know, the business elites, frankly they do well with low wage labor which is a lot of undocumented labor are.
00:28:59It splits them from the conservative base.
00:29:02Where the rubber meets the road for republicans.
00:29:04Fry to find republican whose will vote for sanctions on employers who knowingly -- >> for the last 20 years it's been the democratic party who wanted an open borders policy.
00:29:13There is a right and wrong way to come to america.
00:29:16We are a country with big hearts.
00:29:19But strong hands.
00:29:21And that's, that's their policy which is there is a right and wrong way to come to america.
00:29:25>> Big hearts but strong hands.
00:29:28Is that what you said?
00:29:28>> What america has been about.
00:29:29We welcome folks.
00:29:30We have laws and expect everyone to live by them.
00:29:32>> Thank you very much.
00:29:33Good conversation.
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00:33:17>>> In thailand, a rogue army general leading anti-government red shirt movement, was shot in the head today, while speaking with foreign reporters.
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00:33:46The sniper fire came as government officials prepared to blockade the protestors camp in bangkok.
00:33:48The general's injury was severe.
00:33:49>>> Attorney general andrew cuomo launched an investigation into eight top wall street firms.
00:33:51The probe will determine whether banks gave misleading information to credit agencies to inflate securities ratings.
00:33:59>>> Space shuttle "atlantis" will blast off tomorrow.
00:34:02The shuttle will deliver 3,000 pounds of food and laptop computers tour the international space station.
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00:34:18An alleged hate crime, stunned a beach town.
00:34:19A gay teenager shot dead in a classroom after being bullied for a long time.
00:34:24His accused killer was 14 at the time.
00:34:26New developments in the story coming up.
00:34:28 phil about lawrence king's case and whether schools are paying enough attention to bullying aimed at gay students.
00:34:33Is enough being done to protect them and understand what they're going through.
00:34:37The big 360 interview coming up.
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00:36:58>>> An unexpected delay in a hate crime trial that is drawing national attention.
00:37:01In california the judge gave the defense team more time to prepare for his trial which was to begin tomorrow.
00:37:05It was postponed until july.
00:37:05We first reported on the story two years ago.
00:37:07The defendant was 14 when he allegedly shot a gay classmate at point-blank range.
00:37:10He is being tried as an adult.
00:37:11The teen killed, had been bullied nonstop.
00:37:14Here is randi kaye.
00:37:15>> Reporter: In a sea of students outside malibu, california this eighth grader boy stood out.
00:37:20He came to school dressed as a girl, wore jewelry, make-up, even lipstick and mascara.
00:37:24Most days he showed up in high heeled boots.
00:37:28He asked his teachers to call him latisha.
00:37:31Instead of larry.
00:37:31Friends say larry was proud of who he was.
00:37:35Larry was gay.
00:37:37He had come out at age 10.
00:37:39Teachers and students say he frequently acted out.
00:37:42Making clear his sexual preference.
00:37:45That made some students so uncomfortable they bullied him his friend alexa chavez was one of the few who stuck up for him.
00:37:50>> They mocked him.
00:37:53Every time he came around they ran.
00:37:56And just painful things.
00:37:57Said painful things about him.
00:37:58>> Reporter: More than two years ago in february 2008, the bullying suddenly stopped not because larry was finally accepted but because he was dead.
00:38:07Murdered police say by a fellow student.
00:38:10That awful day began like any other tuesday for king.
00:38:14They were in the computer labs so the students could type their papers.
00:38:20Larry was seated in the mid.
00:38:21HIS CLASSMATE, brian McErnerney behind him.
00:38:22Brandon stupd, pulled out a gun he managed to bring to school.
00:38:43They say he pointed the gun at the back of larry's head and fired a cording to some accounts, brandon dropped the gun and calmly left the classroom.
00:39:07Some one called 911.
00:39:11>> Okay, do you know where the person with the gun is?
00:39:16>> No.
00:39:16>> Who is the victim, is there a victim?
00:39:18>> I am on the phone with dispatch.
00:39:21>> Larry.
00:39:23>> Larry was rushed to the hospital.
00:39:28Cops picked up brandon within minutes.
00:39:34Just blocks from school.
00:39:35>> It's over.
00:39:37>> Reporter: The next day, larry was pronounced brain dead but kept alive for two days so his organs could be harvested.
00:39:41Brandon who turned 14 just weeks before the shooting is being tried as an adult, charged with first degree murder and a hate crime.
00:39:46And stands to get more than 50 years in prison.
00:39:48But he says, he is not guilty.
00:39:50Brandon's lawyer won't tell us what their defense might be.
00:39:53But in court, police testified that brandon may have been bullied too by larry in fact.
00:39:56Larry had reportedly told people the two were dating but had broken up.
00:39:59And just a couple days before the shooting classmates say larry had asked brandon to be his valentine.
00:40:06And brandon's friends joked the two would make gay babies together.
00:40:13On larry's final day, he left his make-up and high heels at home.
00:40:16And went to school wearing his uniform, just like everyone else.
00:40:20It is unclear why.
00:40:23But if he had decided to try and blend in, he never had a chance.
00:40:29Randi kaye, cnn, new york.
00:40:30>> The fact that a child could be murder in such a callus matter is simply hard to understand and hard to accept.
00:40:41Joining me for the big 360 interview.
00:40:43DR. phil McGraw.
00:40:47What you make of this?
00:40:50This young man brandon accused of shooting lawrence king was just 14 years old.
00:40:55What do you make of the way, he seemed to plan the murder, sit being hind king in class, shooting him twice and basically calmly walking out and telling police he did the shooting.
00:41:02>> I have to tell you this didn't happen in a vacuum.
00:41:04These teenagers, and more and more teenagers are coming out at young ages in school.
00:41:10And they're being targeted with all kinds of harassment, intimidation, and, and slurs.
00:41:14I mean, the average teenager that is, is gay, lesbian, bisexual or transgender and is out about it hears slurs 26 times a day.
00:41:23So that tells you that there is a mind set out there that can ramp up and lead to this kind of thing.
00:41:29This wasn't some random thing.
00:41:29I think this young man was targeted for that very specific reason.
00:41:33>> It is also the one slur, you know, using the f word against a student who identifies as gay or lesbian, it is still kind of accepted in a lot of areas and schools.
00:41:41If somebody use aid racial slur against a student they might be disciplined immediately.
00:41:45If it is a slur against a gay, lesbian or transgendered student it is kind of accepted.
00:41:48>> It is accepted.
00:41:50I don't want to throw a bunch of stats out.
00:41:53I want people few understand the gravity of what we are talking about.
00:42:0586% Of the teens say they are harassed on a daily basis, verbally.
00:42:12Half of them, 44% say they're physically harassed during the day.
00:42:21And here is an interesting statistic, over 80% of them say there is not one adult in the school situation that they consider to be supportive or helpful in any way.
00:42:34So, what we have got, anderson, we have these kids out there, that are terribly alone.
00:42:43They have got a two to three times the rate of suicide attempts.
00:42:51Because they feel so isolated.
00:42:54They feel so alone.
00:42:56And for some reason we're not stepping up and saying, "look, this is not okay.
00:43:04You have got to stop doing " and educating people and creating sensitivity so these kids aren't targeted like that.
00:43:11 phil in a moment.
00:43:12Join the live chat.
00:43:12 phil after the break about a youtube video that struck a lot of nerves with people.
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00:45:54>>> Want to show you a youtube video a lot of people have an opinion about.
00:45:57A dance competition routine set to beyonce's "single ladies" the girls apparently 7 years old.
00:46:02They're obviously very talented.
00:46:04But their adult moves and outfits.
00:46:07Are making a lot of people uncomfortable.
00:46:10I spoke to dr. phil about that.
00:46:12Here is part two of the 360 interview.
00:46:16There is a video circulating the last day or so out on youtube.
00:46:24Little girls dancing to "single ladies" beyonce.
00:46:26I want to show it to viewers if they haven't seen it.
00:46:28♪♪ All right single ladies ♪♪
00:46:31♪♪ all the single ladies ♪♪
00:46:33♪♪ all the single ladies ♪♪
00:46:36♪♪ well put your hands up ♪♪
00:46:37♪♪ in a club ♪♪
00:46:41>> you know these are 7-year-old girls at a dance competition an urban dance competition.
00:46:49What do you make of this?
00:46:52Obviously they're talented and stuff.
00:46:54But it just, to me it seems wildly inappropriate?
00:46:57>> Well, anderson, first let me say, if, if those five little girls are watching, you guys are talented, you have obviously worked hard, a lot of sweat, into this.
00:47:06But, come, anderson, I don't consider myself a prude.
00:47:10Come on.
00:47:11Here's what bothers me.
00:47:14You had five adults, at least, or both parents, in that case you would have ten, but a minimum of five adults here, five parents in the room watching these routines be rehearsed.
00:47:24Are you telling me that not one out of five stood up and said, "wait a minute.
00:47:30" these costumes are sexually provocative.
00:47:36The dance moves are sexually provocative.
00:47:39This is inappropriate at so many levels.
00:47:43I don't even know how to wrap my mind around it.
00:47:46I can tell you what -- if, if we had a way to track the pedophiles that are clicking on to this youtube video I bet you it its grand central station.
00:48:03This is so inappropriate in my view.
00:48:04I cannot believe that it was allowed to go on.
00:48:05>> I mean, this as society we don't like to talk about it.
00:48:07But there is, there are many cases of kids being sexualized in, you know in pop culture, you know you see it in, sometimes in the beauty pageants, little girls dancing around.
00:48:19Remember seeing video in a documentary about a girl dancing around to "let's get physical" by olivia newton john.
00:48:26It kind of boggles the mind.
00:48:27>> Here's the question, anderson -- I just had a granddaughter, so I am trying to get dialled into little girls.
00:48:45Because I raised two boys.
00:48:47I am new at the little girls having a granddaughter.
00:48:51Here its the question, where do they go from here?
00:48:54If you are doing this at 7, what are you going few do at 10, 12, 15?
00:48:59Where do they go from here?
00:49:01I think this is very inappropriate.
00:49:08Probably the little girls don't even get the nature of some of the moves that they're making, some of the things that they're doing.
00:49:12But others do.
00:49:12I think they're clearly being sexualized.
00:49:14Even if the little girls don't get it.
00:49:15>> Yeah, it's pretty basic stuff.
00:49:16 phil, let me ask you -- saw you got your mustache shaved.
00:49:18Is that a permanent thing.
00:49:18>> Oprah got after me last friday with a razor at radio city music hall.
00:49:21I have to tell you I feel like i got dressed and forgot something.
00:49:24Did I forget my shoes or my socks or something?
00:49:26I don't know.
00:49:27And, it was shaved off at like 10:20 eastern time.
00:49:3521, my wife robin said grow it back.
00:49:37>> Oh, no, really?
00:49:40>> I think she nixed the new look.
00:49:43>> Dr. phil, appreciate it.
00:49:44Thanks.
00:49:47>>> A teacher in texas severely beats her 13-year-old student while the rest of the class cheers her on.
00:49:54All captured on a cell phone camera.
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00:52:48>>> We're following a number of stories.
00:52:49Joe johns joins us with the 360 bulletin.
00:52:51Joe?
00:52:53>> A texas teacher accused of beating a student.
00:52:55The teacher has been fired and could face criminal charges.
00:52:57The boy's family filed a lawsuit against the teacher and the school.
00:53:04A school spokesman said the teacher's actions violate the school's principles and quote, we would never tolerate anything like that on the part of a teacher.
00:53:18>>> A fugitive captured in cancun, mexico thanks to help from his facebook page.
00:53:21Pled guilty to fraud charges in seattle.
00:53:26He fled last year, investigators could not find him until he started posting status updates on facebook, saying how much fun he was having living in paradise.
00:53:36>>> Yeah, right.
00:53:38And say good-bye to annie, after 85 years, tribune media services is stopping newspaper syndication of the comic strip ON JUNE 13th.
00:53:53We are told, we had to use this line, the sun will come out tomorrow for annie when the tribune brings her to the internet.
00:54:08>> I was wondering what sort of pun or cliche or song title you would put in there.
00:54:13>> Just got few do it.
00:54:15>> Thanks, daddy warbucks.
00:54:16>> The newest youtube sensation, 12-year-old, sings lady gaga's song, "paparazzi" and gets more than 9 million views.
00:54:23Take a look.
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00:54:27♪♪ we'd be so fantastical ♪♪
00:54:28♪♪ leather and chains ♪♪
00:54:33♪♪ not sure what it means ♪♪
00:54:39♪♪ but this photo of us ♪♪
00:54:44♪♪ loving you is cherry pie ♪♪
00:54:46♪♪ because you're ♪♪
00:54:49>> he is really good.
00:54:52He gets better.
00:54:54Check it out on youtube.
00:54:56I like the kids in the background are all like, takes them a while to realize he is covering lady gaga, I think.
00:55:00They definitely got night.
00:55:01Ellen saw grayson's video and invited him on the show where he had a chance to talk to lady gaga, pretty cool.
00:55:08Amazing what kid sing is a song on youtube and suddenly on tv.
00:55:09Good for him.
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