| 00:00:00 | Al.
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| 00:00:03 | This cut, so many billio,ns, that
must be a disappointment, a
historic cut.
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| 00:00:08 | >> No, the president has been
very clear that we need to
reduce the deficit and
obviously because the last two
years, we were on the brink of a
great depression, that had
profound impacts, not just on
the economy and ,our people most
importantly, but also our fiscal
situation.
|
| 00:00:27 | So in order to -- because the
president believes we have to
invest in things like education,
research and development, and
technology.
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| 00:00:32 | The only way to do that
in this fiscal situation
is to live within our means and ,
cut spending.
|
| 00:00:36 | So it was a huge spending cut,
as the president said friday
night in some programs he cares
deeply about.
|
| 00:00:39 | But if we're going to
compromise -- and, by the way,
compromise is not a dirty word.
|
| 00:00:44 | It's the way we're going to move
forward in this country.
|
| 00:00:47 | >> Since he was looking to, as
you say, invest and increase ,
spending, why is
sort of taking
a victory lap when this is
something he didn't want to do
in the first place, cut.
|
| 00:00:59 | >> If you look at his budget for
2012, which he announced around
the state of the union.
|
| 00:01:01 | It would actually reduce the
deficit a trillion dollars in
the next 12 year, it would bring
,spending down to the lowest
since dwight eisenhower.
|
| 00:01:11 | The president's commitment to
spending reduction is absolutely
firm.
|
| 00:01:15 | But how we do that, we've
got to make sure that we are not
hurting our ability for our
people to get the education
they need
to compete with people in
beijing and bangalore that we're
investing in research and ,
development, that we're
investing in infrastructure, so
that's going to be his approach
going forward.
|
| 00:01:30 | I say the president later this
week is going to lay out his
detail and
approach to the deficit
reduction going forward.
|
| 00:01:37 | It has to be a balanced
approach, it has to be serious,
it's got, to put us on a firm,
fiscal
trajectory that the company
needs to grow economically.
|
| 00:01:46 | >> We'll talk about that in a
second.
|
| 00:01:49 | Again, quickly, the senate
majority leader, harry reid
called what the speaker was
asking for just in february, 32 ,
billion, he called it draconian
and very painful.
|
| 00:02:01 | And now it's been called
historic.
|
| 00:02:03 | I mean, which is it?
|
| 00:02:03 | Is it draconian yesterday and
historic today?
|
| 00:02:05 | >> Some of the cuts were
draconian.
|
| 00:02:06 | Because it's not just the
number.
|
| 00:02:08 | It's what composes the number.
|
| 00:02:10 | So in this budget deal, the ,
president, senator reid, you
know, we protected medical
research, community
health centers, kids on head
start.
|
| 00:02:23 | We were not going to sign on a
deal that cut those things.
|
| 00:02:25 | The president was comfortable
with a composition of this deal
that, again, you know, there
,
things he believes in.
|
| 00:02:32 | But in these fiscal times
everyone is going to have to
make tough decisions.
|
| 00:02:35 | It was an historic deal for the
american people.
|
| 00:02:37 | Here's the important thing.
|
| 00:02:37 | The president has spoken often
about his plan to win the future
for america economically, and
what this budget does is
preserve our ability to do that
throug,h education and
innovation.
|
| 00:02:46 | >> So many economists have said
that at this particular time
when you've got a fragile
recovery, cuts in any way could
harm that.
|
| 00:02:55 | Are you worried about this
setting back the recovery?
|
| 00:02:58 | >> I think if they're not
careful cuts, yes, it could.
|
| 00:03:00 | The president said, listen, we
can't take a machete, we have to
,
and we're going to have to cut
so we'll have to look carefully.
|
| 00:03:08 | What you have to do is go line
by line.
|
| 00:03:09 | This can't be a macro number
about big number, you have to
look at detail and make a
judgment on each one
in terms of the impact on people
and on the impact of the
economy.
|
| 00:03:16 | That's the approach from the
,
a careful approach to this so
we can cut spending, we can
reduce the deficit in the short
and long term but without
jeopardizing our economic growth
and without jeopardizing things
like education and innovation.
|
| 00:03:28 | >> Big huge battles coming
ahead.
|
| 00:03:30 | And we asked in our intro to
you whethe,r the president has
the stomach and the will for the
huge fight ahead.
|
| 00:03:36 | Already in this budget showdown,
he was perceived as coming in at
the last moment and many in his
own party have talked about a
lack of leadership.
|
| 00:03:46 | This is what senator manchin
has said about, that.
|
| 00:03:52 | >> Why are we doing all of this
when the most powerful person in
these negotiations, our
president, has failed to lead
this debate or offer a serious
proposal for spending and cuts
that he would be willing to
fight for?
|
| 00:04:02 | How does that make sense?
|
| 00:04:04 | >> How does that make sense, mr.
|
| 00:04:05 | ,
why didn't the president get
involved much earlier and really
fight for what democrats believe
in?
|
| 00:04:13 | >> Well, first of all, the
president, as I said in his
budget for next year, laid out
with great specificity how ,
we're going to reduce the
deficit over a trillion dollars
over the next decade, bring
spending down to the
lowest level since dwight
eisenhower, at the same time
protecting critical investments
in things like education, and
research and development.
|
| 00:04:34 | So the pdent has.
|
| 00:04:35 | Sometimes here in washington,
when people accuse you of not
having leadership,
what they mean is you're not,
leading a political fight and
the president's view, the
country needs leadership,
it's focused on where do we find
common ground so we can win the
future and continue to move the
economy forward.
|
| 00:04:48 | Not to look at every issue.
|
| 00:04:50 | First through the prism of how
do we get political
advantage to the other party?
|
| 00:04:54 | The american, people are sick and
tired of that.
|
| 00:04:58 | >> Talking about that,
many of these big issues,
whether the debt ceiling or real
deficit reduction, will require
huge bipartisan -- real
bipartisan coming together.
|
| 00:05:06 | Not at the last minute to
negotiate a deal like this time.
|
| 00:05:09 | So what is his plan for that,
and can he actuall,y do that?
|
| 00:05:12 | >> Christiane, on any issue,
whether it's going to be more
deficit reduction, which we have
to have, education
reform, new energy policies and
investments, nothing happens
unless we have support of
members of both parties.
|
| 00:05:24 | So we're not going to move
forward together as a, country
unless we do it
together, republicans and
democrats, on behalf of all
americans.
|
| 00:05:33 | I think it should give us
confidence that this is the
first big test of this divided
government.
|
| 00:05:36 | And, you know, the speaker, the
president, the
senate majority leader were able
to work together.
|
| 00:05:41 | Yes, it came down to the finish
line, but you couple that with
what happened in december on ,
nuclear weapons, on tax cuts
for the american people and
don't ask, don't tell ask, don't
tell.
|
| 00:05:51 | It should give us confidence
that when our leaders really put
the american people
first, they have the ability to
work together.
|
| 00:05:58 | >> You talked about specificity,
and cert,ainly, senator --
congressman ryan has come out
and put out a very specific plan
for budget cutting.
|
| 00:06:06 | And, indeed, when it comes to
the whole war of ideas, some in
your own party are very
concerned that it is the
republicans who have --
are setting
the ag,enda right now.
|
| 00:06:17 | Look what anthony wiener tweeted
now, our fights can't be just to
stop their horrible ideas, he
says.
|
| 00:06:25 | Don't we need to have our own
agenda?
|
| 00:06:28 | Who is setting the agenda?
|
| 00:06:28 | Looks like they are right now.
|
| 00:06:31 | ,
>> no, that's not accurate.
|
| 00:06:37 | Again, I think a lot of times in
washington, people view this
true a prism of political sites.
|
| 00:06:40 | So if you embrace spending cuts
at all --
>> this is increased spending
program --
>> if you embrace cuts, we need
,
listen, the president's state of
the union was a blueprint for
the future, how we're going to
win the future in the country.
|
| 00:06:54 | He's driving this agenda each
and every day.
|
| 00:06:56 | As we look at the next round
here, the president is going to
be very clear about his
approach.
|
| 00:07:01 | It has to be a balanced
,
as he said, you have to look for
the wealthiest in this country
will have to contribute
something.
|
| 00:07:07 | Look at how we get more health
care cost savings.
|
| 00:07:09 | We already have a trillion
dollars in deficit reduction in
the next two
decades with the health care
act.
|
| 00:07:15 | We'll have to look at defense
spending.
|
| 00:07:17 | We'll have to look at more
,
we have to now.
|
| 00:07:23 | Now just to speak to
the congressional republican
budget plan announced this week.
|
| 00:07:26 | You have to under, the average
millionaire in this country
would get at least a $200,000
tax cut while the average senior
down the road will pay $6,000
more in health costs.
|
| 00:07:33 | The middle class will may more.
|
| 00:07:34 | You've got a 70% cut in energy ,
investments at a time of record
gas prices.
|
| 00:07:39 | So that's a choice, by the way.
|
| 00:07:41 | You wouldn't have to put all of
the burden on the seniors and
poor people in the middle class
if you weren't
giving the wealthiest a tax cut.
|
| 00:07:47 | >> The president announced his
re-election campaign
this week and somebody else has ,
all but jumped in, donald trump.
|
| 00:07:55 | He said he may run for
president.
|
| 00:07:56 | He seems to doubt yet again
about president obama.
|
| 00:07:59 | He is talking yet again about
the whole birth certificate
issue, saying there's at least a
good chance that barack hussein ,
obama has made mincemeat of our
great and cherished
constitution.
|
| 00:08:11 | So I know that you've answered
all of the questions on this
birth certificate.
|
| 00:08:15 | What do you make of donald trump
and raising this issue?
|
| 00:08:19 | Do you think it's going to be a
big issue in the campaign?
|
| 00:08:21 | >> I don't.
|
| 00:08:21 | I think I saw donald trump kind
of rising, and fall and given his
behavior and spectacle, I hope
he keeps on rising.
|
| 00:08:30 | I think there's zero chance
donald trump would ever be hired
by the american people to do
this job.
|
| 00:08:35 | There may be a small part of the
country that believes these
things, but mainstream americans,
think it's a sideshow, and
what they want our leaders to do
is focus squarely on the issues
right in front of us.
|
| 00:08:47 | How we're going to keep growing
the economy.
|
| 00:08:49 | 3 million jobs
created in the last 13 months.
|
| 00:08:53 | We got to keep doing that.
|
| 00:08:56 | How we keep our people safe,
how do we make sure we win the ,
future by focusing on things
like education and innovation.
|
| 00:09:04 | That's what they want to focus
on.
|
| 00:09:05 | That's not leadership.
|
| 00:09:08 | That's sideshow behavior.
|
| 00:09:08 | plouffe,
thanks for joining us.
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| 00:09:10 | >> Thanks for having me.
|
| 00:09:11 | >> And coming up next -- ,
>> if liberals in the senate
would rather play political
games and shut down the
government instead of making a
small down payment on fiscal
discipline and reform, I say,
shut it down.
|
| 00:09:29 | >> Is the budget deal good
enough for mike pence and the ,
tea party?
|
| 00:09:31 | I'll ask the republican
congressman whether john boehner
did his members proud.
|
| 00:09:35 | And I'll ask the leading house
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>>> leaders in both parties
reached an agreement that allow
the small busies to
>>> leaders in both parties
reached an agreement that al,low
the small businesses to get the
loans they need.
|
| 00:11:08 | Our families to get the
mortgages they applied for.
|
| 00:11:09 | And hundreds of thousand of
americans to show up at work and
take home their paychecks on
time including our brave men and
women in uniform.
|
| 00:11:20 | >> We fought to keep the
government, spending down,
because it really will, in fact,
help a better environment for
job creators in our country.
|
| 00:11:26 | >>> A victory lap from president
obama and house speaker john
boehner, perhaps the two
happiest men in washington
today winded at the
end of a heady waltz that
promises to repeat itself before
too long.
|
| 00:11:37 | And here's abc's john donvan
,
>> Reporter: And so they danced.
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| 00:11:44 | >> The republicans
are responsible for shutting
down the government.
|
| 00:11:49 | >> Reporter: The choreography --
>> the democrats rejected --
>> Reporter: The ballet of
,
>> if this government could shut
down.
|
| 00:12:00 | >> Reporter: Waltz iing
towards the precipice.
|
| 00:12:04 | >> I say shut it down.
|
| 00:12:05 | >> Reporter: And back again.
|
| 00:12:06 | >> Get it passed, and avert a
shutdown.
|
| 00:12:07 | >> Reporter: A dance until
midnight where the music would
,
>> reached an agreement --
>> Reporter: -- Just in time.
|
| 00:12:13 | >> We didn't do it at this late
hour for drama.
|
| 00:12:17 | >> Reporter: Oh, but it was a
drama that only proved how
difficult cutting budgets could
be.
|
| 00:12:20 | Consider this, while the
republicans can now take credit
for forcing the largest budget
cut in history, compared to what,
is spent apple pie-wise on
social security, medicare,
medicaid and defense, this
5 billion is
nearly invisible because
trillions is what republicans
are now talking about aiming to
save such as congressman paul
ryan.
|
| 00:12:42 | Listen to him.
|
| 00:12:43 | 2
trillion in spending from the
president's budget over the next
ten years.
|
| 00:12:57 | >> Reporter: Look what this
,
these two tea party members are
okay with choosing brutal
battles over compromise.
|
| 00:13:05 | See this man, mike pence,
a republican with tea party
backing along with
like-minded colleague, he
greatly complicated boehner's
efforts of shutting do,wn the
government, by insisting the
budget cuts take away from
planned parenthood which
provides abortions, which pence
opposes.
|
| 00:13:20 | >> Liberals in the senate would
rather shut
the government so they can
continue to borrow money, from
china and fund the
largest abortion provider in
america.
|
| 00:13:39 | >> Reporter: Democrats say
things like this.
|
| 00:13:40 | >> Shut down the budget over
women's access to health care.
|
| 00:13:42 | If that sounds ridiculous, it's
because it is ridiculous.
|
| 00:13:44 | >> Reporter: In the end, the
deal did not cut planned
parenthood's funding but it
forced a vote to come up on the
issue la,ter.
|
| 00:13:53 | So the government shutdown, good
that it didn't happen.
|
| 00:13:57 | Good that our troops will be
paid and that our parks will
stay open and that tourists in
washington can enjoy museums,
,
but, believe this, the orchestra
is only warming up, and the next
round won't feel like a dance at
all.
|
| 00:14:14 | For "this week," I'm john donvan
in washington.
|
| 00:14:20 | >>> And we're joined, now by
republican congressman mike
pence.
|
| 00:14:22 | He's from indiana.
|
| 00:14:23 | He's a tea party favorite and
who we saw earlier vowing to
shut down the government if
democrats wouldn't agree to
steep budget cuts.
|
| 00:14:30 | And also we're joined by
congressman chris van hollen of
maryland, the top democrat on
,
he's dealing with some angry
colleagues this morning.
|
| 00:14:40 | Congressmen, thank you both for
coming.
|
| 00:14:41 | "
you've been all over the air
for the last 12 minutes talking
about shut it down if it didn't
go right.
|
| 00:14:47 | Will you vote for this deal?
|
| 00:14:50 | >> First, christiane, let me ,
say, I've been battling runaway
federal spending under both
political parties ever since i
arrived in congress.
|
| 00:14:58 | And I for one want to celebrate
the fact that we are now
debating on capitol hill --
>> will you celebrate with your
vote?
|
| 00:15:05 | >> Well, less spending instead
of more spe,nding and
what I was saying repeatedly at
the rally that you just clipped
and on the floor of the
congress was that house
republicans needed to pick a
fight.
|
| 00:15:20 | I think john boehner fought the
good fight.
|
| 00:15:21 | I think he drove a hard bargain
here.
|
| 00:15:22 | I want to see the details.
|
| 00:15:23 | But from what I know, it sounds ,
like john boehner got a good
deal.
|
| 00:15:27 | Probably not good enough for me
to support it but a good deal
nonetheless.
|
| 00:15:31 | Well, look this country's in
trouble.
|
| 00:15:33 | I mean we've got --
we were asking for a 2% cut
in the budget, and that ended up
being too much of a cu,t for this
administration and for liberals
in congress.
|
| 00:15:44 | >> But you say you won't support
it yet speaker boehner did a
good job.
|
| 00:15:49 | What happened?
|
| 00:15:52 | Do you think he folded too
early?
|
| 00:15:55 | >> Look, I cannot bring myself
to be critical of a basketball
player that gets two on one all
, night.
|
| 00:15:58 | I can't bring myself to be
critical of john boehner who was
squared off against a white
house and liberals in congress
who couldn't accept a 2% budget
cut and who dug in and were
willing to shut down the
government to continue to send a
million dollars a day to the
largest abortion provider in
,
>> we're going to get to that in
a second.
|
| 00:16:17 | Let me ask you if congressman
pence is not going to vote for
this, are you going to vote for
it?
|
| 00:16:21 | Do you think it will pass on
your side?
|
| 00:16:23 | >> Well, christiane, you may not
be surprised to hear this, but
they're still sifting through
the areas where they're going to
,
you can't find anybody today
actually who knows exactly what
cuts we're proposing until
probably the end of the day
today, maybe early next week.
|
| 00:16:39 | I'm going to reserve judgment.
|
| 00:16:40 | But the unfortunate part of
this entire situation is
that mike and his colleagues
threatened to shut down the
, entire federal government, which
would have huge economic
dislocation and disruption in
the country, in order to pass a
bill that, at the end of the
day, doesn't create one job.
|
| 00:16:57 | Now, there is some good news in
the deal.
|
| 00:16:59 | The good news is that the
republicans have demanded deep
cuts in ed,ucation.
|
| 00:17:03 | They've demanded cuts in cancer
research and other research to
find cures and treatments to
diseases.
|
| 00:17:10 | And instead of focusing just on
a narrow slice of cuts that they
were demanding, we're able to
expand the area of cuts and
prevent some.
|
| 00:17:16 | So that's good news.
|
| 00:17:18 | But even today whi,le they say
we've got a deficit problem and
we do and we need to do
something about it,
they don't want to get rid of
the subsidies to the oil and gas
companies, and they continue to
big tax cuts.
|
| 00:17:31 | >> So you've described it, but ,
the bottom line is you've
basically come close but you're
not going to support it, right?
|
| 00:17:40 | >> I want to see the language in
the bill.
|
| 00:17:42 | I think john boehner has a good
deal but it's not good enough
for me to support it.
|
| 00:17:44 | >> I think you're saying you're
not going to support it.
|
| 00:17:46 | What are you saying?
|
| 00:17:46 | Are you going to support it?
|
| 00:17:48 | >> I'm going to look,
christiane.
|
| 00:17:50 | We don't know yet, what the cuts,
are.
|
| 00:17:53 | >> How long will this take?
|
| 00:17:53 | >> The vote will come up this
week.
|
| 00:17:55 | They'll probably put the cuts on
the internet, I hope, so that
everybody can see them.
|
| 00:17:58 | >> Will it pass?
|
| 00:18:00 | Do you think?
|
| 00:18:00 | >> I think this will pass.
|
| 00:18:02 | And I'm very determined to, of
course, work with
my colleagues to prevent a
government shutdown becaus,e it
would have huge decision
corruption in the economy, and
that's the seesaw that we're
living with here.
|
| 00:18:13 | But, look, these guys took this
to the brink not only to do
something that won't create a
job but to impose their own
right ,wing policies on the
country.
|
| 00:18:26 | No.
|
| 00:18:27 | We can disagree about a very
controversial issue, and we do.
|
| 00:18:29 | But using this budget process to
try to impose that position on
the country and threaten
shutdown --
>> why did you need to do that
at this time?
|
| 00:18:37 | Why muddy the water, since you
were really about money and ,
about spending cuts?
|
| 00:18:45 | >> Let me say, first off, I mean
it's nonsense to say that
republicans were willing to shut
down the government over this.
|
| 00:18:48 | Speaker john boehner made it
clear that the policy issues,
including my amendment on
abortion providers, had been
negotiated at the time that --
,i mean, I think it's in "the
washington post" this morning.
|
| 00:19:00 | What was clear here, this
administration and liberals in
congress were willing to shut
the government down to continue
to fund abortion providers in
this country.
|
| 00:19:07 | And that's the bottom line.
|
| 00:19:08 | Why would I fight for it?
|
| 00:19:09 | Let me explain.
|
| 00:19:10 | I'm pro-life.
|
| 00:19:11 | ,
I also think it's morally wrong
to take the tax dollars of
millions of pro-life americans
and use it to fund abortion
providers.
|
| 00:19:18 | >> But you know the federal
funds don't do that.
|
| 00:19:21 | >> Well, look, in february of
this year, the pence amendment
passed on a bipartisan basis by
,
it denied federal funding to
planned parenthood.
|
| 00:19:35 | I've never advocated to reduce
funding to title 10.
|
| 00:19:37 | They tried to make this about
women's health.
|
| 00:19:38 | It wasn't about that.
|
| 00:19:39 | Planned parenthood's clinics
focus mainly on abortion.
|
| 00:19:42 | In 2009 planned parenthood ,
performed 977 adoptions, 70,000
prenatal -- 330,000 abortions.
|
| 00:19:52 | >> Facts, facts.
|
| 00:19:53 | >> Move on.
|
| 00:19:54 | >> The facts, not one penny of
taxpayer money goes to planned
parenthood or anybody else for
abortion.
|
| 00:19:58 | And what mike and his colleagues
tried to do was use a f,unding
bill, a spending bill, to impose
changes in law that should be
debated, but not as part of
this --
>> I need to go forward now,
because you made your position
clear, sir, you made it clear.
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| 00:20:11 | I understand where you stand on
this.
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| 00:20:13 | ,
what I want to know now is, you
have a huge fight coming up.
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| 00:20:20 | You've got the debt ceiling.
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| 00:20:23 | You've got a potential
catastrophe, if you believe
timothy geithner, the treasury
secretary.
|
| 00:20:27 | What's going to happen there?
|
| 00:20:29 | What needs to happen for you to
vote yes to raise the debt
ceiling, the amount america can
borrow?
|
| 00:20:33 | >> Well, look,, I will not
support an increase in the debt
ceiling without
real and meaningful changes in
spending in the short term and
in the long term.
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| 00:20:42 | We've got to change the way we
spend the people's money.
|
| 00:20:44 | Again, we've got a $14 trillion
national debt.
|
| 00:20:47 | The president sends the budget
to capitol hill that will double,
the national debt in the next
ten years, and simply expanding
the credit card is not the right
answer.
|
| 00:20:58 | >> On this issue, how will that
fight be fought?
|
| 00:21:00 | >> It would be hugely dangerous
for our republican colleagues to
play a game of chicken on the ,
debt ceiling.
|
| 00:21:07 | You would see an economic
catastrophe if they faulted on
their debt.
|
| 00:21:12 | Now, the budget proposal they'll
bring forth will require
increases in the debt ceiling
for years and years to come.
|
| 00:21:17 | So for them to say we're not
going to support an increase in
the debt ceiling on this and ,
thun put a budget on the floor
that would
require it is irresponsible.
|
| 00:21:24 | >> One of the questions I asked
david plouffe was about who has
the ideas.
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| 00:21:31 | Congressman ryan has put forth a
budget that many people are
saying is a good attempt to deal
with this.
|
| 00:21:36 | When are we going to hear -- and,
are you frustrated that there
isn't one yet detailed on your
side, although, again,
david plouffe said the president
is going to put more details out
this week.
|
| 00:21:48 | >> The president had a budget,
and we, the democrats in the
house, will have an alternative
budget this week as we debated.
|
| 00:21:52 | The problem with the ryan plan,
the republic,an plan is it's
totally unbalanced.
|
| 00:21:58 | That's what the co-authors
of the fiscal commission, the
bipartisan fiscal
commission said, because what
costs of health care, while they
provide big tax breaks for
millionaires and corporate
special interests.
|
| 00:22:22 | That is just not the priorities
of the country.
|
| 00:22:23 | I think it's wrong to do that.
|
| 00:22:24 | >> Do you think, and this is the
last question, there will be ,
some bipartisan compromise
because on the big issues, it
has to be bipartisan crafting.
|
| 00:22:31 | >> Wel let me say, house
republicans under paul ryan's
leadership have
offered a vision to put america
back on a pathway toward a
balanced budget.
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| 00:22:43 | It deals w,ith the issues of
entitlements.
|
| 00:22:45 | It reduces the national debt.
|
| 00:22:45 | For americans 55 or older, we're
not proposing a single change in
medicare.
|
| 00:22:48 | mericans
under the age of 55 is make sure
they can participate in the same
kind of health insurance plan
that m,embers of congress do.
|
| 00:22:59 | There's no repeal of --
>> members of congress have what
is called a fair-share deal.
|
| 00:23:07 | We do not bear the entire risk
of increased costs.
|
| 00:23:09 | They are asking seniors to bear
risks that they're not asking
members of congress --
>> this is the premium support
system -- ,
>> we will be watching this,
debating it --
>> mike should check the law,
because they're asking seniors
to absorb the higher risk of
increased costs.
|
| 00:23:23 | Members of congress do not bear
that risk --
>> we are certainly going to
bring this up with a round
table.
|
| 00:23:30 | We'll keep, talking about this
because this will be the issue
ahead.
|
| 00:23:33 | Thank you both very much for
joining us.
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| 00:23:34 | >> Thank you.
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| 00:23:34 | >>> Up next, winners and losers
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>>> because congress is able to
settle its differences, that's
why this place is open today and,
everybody is able to enjoy their
visit.
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| 00:26:07 | And that's the kind of future
cooperation I hope we have going
forward, because
this is what america's all
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enjoying those things that bind
us together.
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| 00:26:18 | >>> President obama th,ere
visiting the lincoln memorial
on saturday just hours after
closing a deal to keep the
government open for business.
|
| 00:26:30 | His presidency has been a study
in contrasts, m,any would say.
|
| 00:26:39 | Just two years ago he ordered up
almost a trillion dollars in
stimulus spending to jump-start
an economy in crisis.
|
| 00:26:42 | But this week, he put a seal of
approval on the biggest budget
cuts in american history.
|
| 00:26:44 | It's a strategy the president
hopes will win the future for
both the country and for
himself.
|
| 00:26:47 | At the beginning of the week, he
launched his, re-election
campaign and with me
to rate his chances are "this
"
george will.
|
| 00:26:58 | Here with the global
perspective
chrystia freeland, edi,tor of
thomson-reuters and ron
brownstein and donna brazile.
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| 00:27:09 | Chairman of the democratic
national committee.
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| 00:27:12 | Congratulations.
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| 00:27:12 | >> Thank you.
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| 00:27:13 | >> All right.
|
| 00:27:14 | Let's start.
|
| 00:27:16 | George, how did president obama
play his hand?
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| 00:27:19 | Is this a victory as they said
now?
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| 00:27:20 | >> If this is a victory, I wish
them many more.
|
| 00:27:23 | >> Did anybody have a victor,y?
|
| 00:27:24 | >> I think john boehner had a
victory in the sense that harry
reid having described as $30
billion in cuts as draconian.
|
| 00:27:35 | The president signs off on $38
billion, and, of course, it's
much more money, than that
because this establishes a
baseline for future spending.
|
| 00:27:43 | $38 Billion becomes hundreds of
billions of dollars
in the not too distant future.
|
| 00:27:49 | Now the capital is in
conservative vocabulary.
|
| 00:27:53 | >> I asked david plouffe about
that, about the sort of, victory
versus the draconian and
he said the cuts have to happen.
|
| 00:28:01 | I mean so where does this go?
|
| 00:28:03 | George said it's really
established the baseline.
|
| 00:28:05 | >> It's clearly a victory for
the republicans.
|
| 00:28:08 | The entire debate as george
suggested was on their terms.
|
| 00:28:11 | The democrats -- the president ,
accepted an argument that
austerity was acceptable
was unemployment was at 8.8%.
|
| 00:28:19 | This is a big win.
|
| 00:28:20 | The other big win is that
republicans come out of this
more united.
|
| 00:28:22 | Mike pence notwithstanding.
|
| 00:28:23 | And I think
democrats come out more divided.
|
| 00:28:24 | I think that by and large the
feeling in the republican caucus
is that ,john boehner
was able to get a pretty good
deal for them and holding them
together, avoiding going off a
cliff and shutting down the
government as they did in 1985.
|
| 00:28:36 | Whereas the democrats are
uncertain where president obama
will draw the line, where he
will be with him and when he
won't.
|
| 00:28:39 | Politically it's a different
story.
|
| 00:28:41 | I think all incumbents benefit ,
from accomplishments of a
divided government.
|
| 00:28:46 | The president is on firmer
ground there.
|
| 00:28:50 | Substantively I think this is a
very strong outcome for
republicans.
|
| 00:28:52 | >> Donna, you tweeted that the
democrats need to up their game.
|
| 00:28:57 | >> No question, I mean, look, we
are fighting on the grounds that
the conservatives have laid out
as a narrative.
|
| 00:29:00 | Look, the president took what ,
was a hacksaw that the
republicans were wielding, and
basically use a steak knife to
carve up these budget cuts.
|
| 00:29:12 | Now, democrats believe it was a
raw deal.
|
| 00:29:15 | But here's what democrats should
,
60,000 kids will be able to
continue head start.
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| 00:29:23 | Millions of students will
continue to receive their pell
grant.
|
| 00:29:27 | What the president was able to
do in drawing a line in the
sand, he made it about budget,
numbers, not all
of his social appetite
the republicans wanted.
|
| 00:29:43 | We need to give the president
credit for doing that as well.
|
| 00:29:45 | >> I don't think you need to
give the president credit.
|
| 00:29:46 | That was the obvious thing for
the president to do.
|
| 00:29:48 | I think the planned parenthood
stuff was a gift f,or democrats.
|
| 00:29:49 | That is so easy for them to push
on that.
|
| 00:29:51 | Thank goodness from the
democrats' point of view that
those riders came up because it
allowed them to say,
actually the republicans don't
care mainl,y about the economy,
they're pushing this social
agenda.
|
| 00:30:08 | What I think is missing, donna,
I would love to hear you expand
on this.
|
| 00:30:10 | Democrats are actually arguing
that the recovery is incredibly
fragile.
|
| 00:30:13 | Unemployment is high.
|
| 00:30:13 | You, christiane, it's actually a
question, well, if you make cuts
in the right way, then that's
okay.
|
| 00:30:20 | ,
and if anyone makes it, it
should be the democrats that
says, don't make cuts right now.
|
| 00:30:27 | Yes, the budget is a problem.
|
| 00:30:28 | But it's a medium term problem,
and right now, when the economy
is on the ropes, let's remember,
you have oil prices
skyrocketing, because of the
middle east, you have japan.
|
| 00:30:36 | Right now is the time when
actually we should be talking ,
still about government spending.
|
| 00:30:41 | >> You can see an important
predicate going forward
into this next debate and
they've basically not drawn the
line and said this is not the
time to be retrenching, so when
,
I mean this is the foothills to
the himalayans coming
over the overall budget
and the paul ryan plan.
|
| 00:31:00 | It's harder to come back and
say, look, we shouldn't talk
about withdrawing federal
spending at the moment the
economy is so weak,
because they did not make that
argument here.
|
| 00:31:10 | , >> There's a strong argument to
make.
|
| 00:31:12 | They can say, so far it's
working, look across the ocean,
look across the atlantic, the
brits have imposed budgetary
austerity, and their economy is
shrinking even faster than they
thought.
|
| 00:31:20 | >> Just to go back to these
riders like the
parenthood, I mean,,
democrats presumably thinking
this is a gift to them if the
whole
social movement comes back into
positives.
|
| 00:31:32 | What do you think about what
they did with planned
parenthood, the republicans?
|
| 00:31:37 | >> The story is in the oval
office meeting, boehner stands
with the president, and the
president says no, john, no.
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| 00:31:41 | They finally found what the
democratic party really believes,
in, and that is defending
subsidies for the nation's
largest abortion provider.
|
| 00:31:49 | Now, they say, oh, the money
doesn't go there.
|
| 00:31:52 | Money is fungible, they are not
kidding anyone.
|
| 00:31:55 | I don't think it's really in the
interest o,f
the democratic party -- madam
chairman can speak to this.
|
| 00:32:04 | >> Is it of interest to the
republicans to bring that?
|
| 00:32:06 | >> Yes, they can recede from it.
|
| 00:32:07 | "B," before that, they define
themselves as a party of
abortion.
|
| 00:32:10 | >> First of all, the democratic
party defines
itself as a party of growth, ,
of protecting the middle class,
creating jobs for the future to
invest in and those that need
the most help, the most
vulnerable in our society, but,
look, I think
the president had a challenge.
|
| 00:32:27 | The challenge was to try to meet
the republicans halfway.
|
| 00:32:29 | They did more than meet the
,
the republicans are using
basically the same
playbook they've always used
which is, if we don't get it our
way, if we don't get things done
the way we want it done, we'll
shut down the government and
create chaos.
|
| 00:32:44 | I think what the president
and democrats tried to do is,
show the republicans
we'll continue these investments
in the key programs that will
continue 13 months of job
growth.
|
| 00:32:52 | Democrats understand the
challenges the country face.
|
| 00:32:55 | That's why we cannot come to the
table saying --
>> do you think the president
came in early enough?
|
| 00:33:00 | Did he show leadership?
|
| 00:33:01 | A lot of democrats saying he was
parachuting in at the last ,
moment and complaining.
|
| 00:33:06 | >> You know, you heard last week
reid
said, will the president
tell us to go off and cut this
deal and come back?
|
| 00:33:13 | The president was in the room.
|
| 00:33:14 | He doesn't have to be at the
table every day.
|
| 00:33:16 | But bill daly was at the table.
|
| 00:33:17 | Gene sperling and all of the ,
other people, jack lew, that
understand the details of what
has to be worked out to finance
the budget.
|
| 00:33:25 | >> I want to get your take on
what you heard them say,
congressman pence
and van volumen say w,hen I asked
them.
|
| 00:33:37 | Is that unusual?
|
| 00:33:38 | >> Right.
|
| 00:33:39 | There's a portion of the
republican party that by
definition has to vote against
this from the right.
|
| 00:33:45 | I think by and large
house republicans feel they got
a pretty good deal and will hold
together more than you would
have expected a couple weeks
ago.
|
| 00:33:49 | The signal to president obama is
he is not going to be gifted
with an opposition that's as ,
half-handed as the republicans
were in '95 and '96
when newt gingrich and
dick armey made a tactical
mistake of
shutting down the government
twice.
|
| 00:34:05 | He's got to move through a more
complex landscape that the
republicans were able to t,ak
yes for an answer, even some
2012 presidential candidates,
far from what most people
expected, would say it wasn't
good enough.
|
| 00:34:13 | Some say, yes, take yes for an
answer.
|
| 00:34:14 | So the landscape, they may not
be quite as forgiving in
providing him an easy
foil that clinton prevailed
over.
|
| 00:34:20 | >> What really changed the
landscape, however, is the ryan
plan.
|
| 00:34:24 | The democrats ,--
>> we'll talk about that right
after the break.
|
| 00:34:26 | I want to know whether you think
that van hollen,
that congressman van hollen was
a bit reticent when I asked
about voting for it.
|
| 00:34:38 | >> He said let's see where the
cuts are.
|
| 00:34:40 | If they die ,on the last ditch of
planned parenthood,
they better find out what
other --
>> we'll talk about the ryan
plan and debt ceiling in our
next segment and up next, a huge
debate with enormous
consequences for this nation and
for each
and every candidate in 2012,
re,ining in the twin behemoth,
medicare and medicaid.
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let this week.
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>>> it's so dim, it's almost
black.
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| 00:36:37 | It's pretty grim right now.
|
| 00:36:39 | >> That's the gloomy political
forecast from movie maestro,
,
he just wrapped up a new
washington drama.
|
| 00:36:46 | My interview with him later in
the program.
|
| 00:36:49 | And up next, paul ryan's
revolutionary plan to revamp
medicare and medicaid.
|
| 00:36:56 | The roundtable separates fact
,
>>> this week, with christiane
amanpour, from the newseum in
, will continue
in a moment after this, from our
,,
>>> what do you say to nervous
republicans ,who say this is a
political kamikaze mission?
|
| 00:38:56 | You've just given democrats a
big target that may ultimately
cost republicans the majority in
the house?
|
| 00:39:01 | >> Look at these people,
look at these
new people who just got here.
|
| 00:39:07 | They didn't come here for a ,
political career.
|
| 00:39:08 | They came here for a cause.
|
| 00:39:09 | This is not a budget, this is a
cause.
|
| 00:39:11 | >> Congressman paul ryan,
certainly not one to fiddle
around the edges of the
financial crisis confronting
this country.
|
| 00:39:16 | This week, he unveiled a
sweeping budget proposal to cut
$6 trillion from the budget over
10 years.
|
| 00:39:23 | ",
ryan would also revamp, some
would say, dismantle the
cherished programs medicare or
medicaid.
|
| 00:39:36 | Is he a visionary or a villain?
|
| 00:39:39 | Whatever your point of view, one,
thing is not in dispute.
|
| 00:39:43 | Ryan's plan will drive this epic
debate.
|
| 00:39:44 | Let's bring back the
roundtable.
|
| 00:39:45 | George will, chrystia freeland,
ron brownstein and donna
brazile.
|
| 00:39:47 | George, you were just talking
before we went to a break, how
will this change the
conversation?
|
| 00:39:50 | It will.
|
| 00:39:52 | The ryan plan.
|
| 00:39:54 | >> Paul ryan is eight years
younger than the president but,
vastly more had
experienced and conversant with
these issues.
|
| 00:40:04 | The republicans are now bound
with hoops of steel by this plan
by ryan.
|
| 00:40:07 | They really can't avoid it.
|
| 00:40:07 | The president can't avoid
engaging it.
|
| 00:40:09 | The president's initial response
was that the democrats say this
,
this extreme plan by paul ryan
envisions over the next decade a
34% increase in federal
spending.
|
| 00:40:19 | It envisions adding trillions of
dollars to the national debt.
|
| 00:40:21 | That's how slow the glide plan
is that he proposes.
|
| 00:40:26 | Furthermore, on medicare,
medicare is doomed, as we know
it.
|
| 00:40:29 | Not by mr. ryan, but by mr.
|
| 00:40:29 | Arithmet,ic.
|
| 00:40:30 | It just doesn't work anymore.
|
| 00:40:33 | And, therefore, when he proposes
essentially what the bipartisan
commission on medicare proposed
more than a decade ago, premium
support, which is
hollen said a
moment ago,
essentially what every federal
worker has from the man to
delivers your mail to harry reid
who delivers stuff.
|
| 00:40:54 | >> But it's not what seniors
have now.
|
| 00:40:55 | I mean that is the big change.
|
| 00:40:57 | It's important to under, you are
correct, in 1998, ,
john breaux and
bill thomas proposed the idea of
ending medicare where it now
exists where the government pays
your doctor for services instead
of providing you funds to go buy
private insurance.
|
| 00:41:10 | That's what we're talking about.
|
| 00:41:11 | No other significant democrats,
between then
and alice, rivlen
ever endorsed the idea.
|
| 00:41:21 | Whether or not this is a good
idea.
|
| 00:41:22 | There's no question this is a
fundamental change.
|
| 00:41:23 | It basically ends medicare as it
now exists and replaces it
with moving people into the
private sector to rely on
private insurance.
|
| 00:41:33 | >> You said it's not what the
,
everyone now on this is
unchanged.
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| 00:41:38 | No one over 55 has a stake here.
|
| 00:41:41 | >> What about the fantasy, the
budget itself is a fantasy, it
paints a rosy picture that no
one will live to see based on ,
8
trillion in cuts but also comes
2 trillion in budget
cuts.
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| 00:42:00 | I mean this is
tax cuts to make the bush tax
cuts permanent.
|
| 00:42:03 | This is another recipe for
basically taking money from the ,
poor and giving it to the rich.
|
| 00:42:09 | It's a redistribution of income.
|
| 00:42:13 | >> What would the president's
plan be?
|
| 00:42:15 | You heard david plouffe said
he'll come out with real
specific, I think this week, he
said.
|
| 00:42:19 | , you have the ryan
plan which is
what I call the conservative
fantasy and then you have the
republican study group which is
the conservative vision
which is to destroy the new deal
and the social contract of
the -- george, I know you've
lived long enough to see the
programs passed.
|
| 00:42:37 | Now you might live long enough
to see some eliminated if th,e
democrats don't stop.
|
| 00:42:40 | >> It's your benjamin button
moment.
|
| 00:42:41 | >> This is obviously going to be
a massive fight.
|
| 00:42:45 | And david plouffe said we can't
use a machete, we have to use a
scalpel, but it looks like this
whole
entitlement battle is a machete
wielding operation.
|
| 00:42:53 | >> It doesn't have to be a
,
right?
|
| 00:42:59 | In the medium term, the truth,
which has to be acknowledged by
both sides is
current spending is --
current levels of spending and
taxation are unsustainable.
|
| 00:43:08 | And at the very heart of it
is not the stuff people were ,
debating over the past few
weeks, it is entitlements and
specifically medicare and
medicaid.
|
| 00:43:16 | >> And even before we get
there --
>> you have to grapple with it,
right?
|
| 00:43:20 | That's the good part -- the good
thing about the ryan plan, he at
least talks about the heart of
darkness --
>> right, but, look, there i,s --
first of all, it is not as
though they
have not addressed this at all.
|
| 00:43:32 | In the health care reform act
there is a vision on how you
maintain -- how you suppress the
growth of medicare costs
over time or
constrain them.
|
| 00:43:42 | It's an idea of changing ,
incentives.
|
| 00:43:46 | >> Is it going to work?
|
| 00:43:47 | >> There's substantial changes.
|
| 00:43:50 | >> When it comes to reform
you've written, it simply can't
happen unless it's crafted in a
bipartisan way.
|
| 00:43:53 | >> Four previous times
republicans had a big electoral
victory and tried to come back
and unilatera,lly try to change
entitlement programs.
|
| 00:44:04 | After ronald reagan in '80
they tried to reduce social
security.
|
| 00:44:06 | '95, After the gop landslide and
after 2005 after bush's
re-election, they tried to
introduce private accounts into
social security.
|
| 00:44:10 | Each time they fail because they
were unable to attract
,
one of the big problems
with the ryan vision is it is
structured in a way that makes
it very difficult to
imagine any democrats coming
along.
|
| 00:44:28 | This is a plan of moving this
from a defined benefit
to defined contributio,n.
|
| 00:44:32 | The same they've gone through
FROM THE PENSION TO 401(k).
|
| 00:44:34 | Doinit alone will be very
challenging and a big political
roll of the dice at a time when
they are more independent than
ever.
|
| 00:44:38 | >> Even before we get there,
there's a huge fight over
raising the debt ceiling.
|
| 00:44:40 | >> Right.
|
| 00:44:42 | >> Explain that.
|
| 00:44:43 | It's confusing to people.
|
| 00:44:45 | >> Okay.
|
| 00:44:45 | That is a really crucial issue.
|
| 00:44:47 | I think I'm the only one, --
christiane and
I are the people who live in new
york.
|
| 00:44:53 | In new york, especially the wall
street guys, they tend to roll
their eyes when the political
battles happen.
|
| 00:44:58 | So the debt showdown, wall
street, you know, very annoyed
,
the debt ceiling they are
terrified by.
|
| 00:45:07 | We are talking now about --
>> what is the catastrophe --
>> potentially the u.s.
|
| 00:45:12 | Government defaults on its debt.
|
| 00:45:14 | treats
its creditor, the people who
right now are financing --
>> rise -- ,
>> I mean it's like us
defaulting on our mortgages, us
stopping making our mortgage
payments.
|
| 00:45:26 | The chinese, we heard, I think
it was representative
pence say we're dependent on
china.
|
| 00:45:31 | We are dependent on china.
|
| 00:45:32 | They won't be that happy.
|
| 00:45:33 | >> Ladies and gentlemen,
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>>> yes, master, I hated
>>> yes, master, I hated the
north, we all did.
|
| 00:47:59 | How can a southerner feel ,
anything but bitterness towards
your side?
|
| 00:48:05 | But my son did not conspire to
kill your president.
|
| 00:48:07 | He conspired to kidnap him.
|
| 00:48:09 | >> A conspiracy to murder
abraham lincoln and the little
known story of the woman who was,
tried for that crime before a
military tribunal.
|
| 00:48:19 | It's the compelling subject of
robert redford's new film "the
conspirator" and it's also an
issue with continuing resonance
today.
|
| 00:48:25 | Just this week the obama
administration reversed itself
and said that it will try 9/11
conspirators before mili,tary
tribunals rather than criminal
court.
|
| 00:48:35 | I spoke to redford about his
latest project and about where
politics meets journalism.
|
| 00:48:43 | >> What made you focus on this
woman?
|
| 00:48:47 | >> I guess it was a series of ,
frames in my head that took me
into the film.
|
| 00:48:54 | The big one being, of course,
the event that everyone knows
about, the assassination of
lincoln, civil war period, which
never seems to go away.
|
| 00:48:59 | It's always an ongoing topic.
|
| 00:49:02 | John wilkes booth.
|
| 00:49:04 | But adjacent, to thas this
other story that no one knows
about about a trial.
|
| 00:49:09 | And the fact that this woman ran
a boarding house was tried and
put to death in
a military tribunal, which
should have been a civil trial,
,
the trial itself and the matter
of justice and law and
constitution, that's the second
frame inside the bigger one.
|
| 00:49:26 | >> Every witness I wish to call
has either been turned into jail
or the threat of it.
|
| 00:49:33 | There's no limit to how far the
prosecution is willing to go.
|
| 00:49:34 | >> The film premiere this week
as debate rages over the,
decision to try september 11th
conspirators in military
tribunals instead of civil
>> I'm a little wary about
talking about the parallels
because it could look like they
were invented by me but they're ,
a matter of historical record.
|
| 00:49:55 | But the parallels, which have
been capped this week by eric
holder, you can tell he wasn't
happy about the decision to move
it to the military tribunal
which should be in a lot of
people's opinion a civilian ,
trial.
|
| 00:50:10 | >> Members have intervened and
opposed the restriction
bringing any guantanamo
detainees to trial in the united
states.
|
| 00:50:17 | >> The constitution is always
kind of at stake.
|
| 00:50:19 | And messing around with the
constitution has been going on
for -- ever since this time of
,
>> and in the washington drama
"all the president's men,"
again, it was the story behind
the story that attracted
redford.
|
| 00:50:34 | >> I was just kind of wondering
why your name and phone number
were in the address books of two
of the men arrested in
watergate.
|
| 00:50:42 | >> G,ood god.
|
| 00:50:44 | >> It's about the journalist and
about holding power to account?
|
| 00:50:46 | >> That's right.
|
| 00:50:46 | That's right.
|
| 00:50:47 | >> How much can you tell me
about deep throat?
|
| 00:50:50 | >> How much do you need to know?
|
| 00:50:54 | >> Do you think that journalists,
hole them enough to account
today?
|
| 00:51:00 | >> It has changed drastically
because of the internet.
|
| 00:51:03 | I think that film was made at a
high point in journalistic
history.
|
| 00:51:05 | I was proud of that.
|
| 00:51:06 | I felt honored to be able to
depict a time when journalism
was at its highest.
|
| 00:51:11 | It had ethics that it had to
,
>> what did you admire about
woodward and bernstein who you
shadowed for a long time and
you played woodward?
|
| 00:51:22 | >> I'm not looking for a fight.
|
| 00:51:23 | >> I'm not looking for a fight
either.
|
| 00:51:24 | >> The fact you've been here for
only nine months.
|
| 00:51:28 | >> What's that got to do with ,
anything?
|
| 00:51:30 | >> I've been in the business for
16.
|
| 00:51:32 | >> What attracted me there was
there was one guy is a jew,
the other guy is a wasp.
|
| 00:51:38 | One guy is a republican and the
other one is a radical liberal.
|
| 00:51:41 | They don't get along very well.
|
| 00:51:44 | One guy claimed to be a better
writer than the other one.
|
| 00:51:46 | They don't particularly ,like
each other, but they have to
work together.
|
| 00:51:49 | And that got me.
|
| 00:51:50 | I said,
that chemistry, that alchemy
really fascinated me, what was
it like?
|
| 00:51:56 | What was it like to do what they
did that no one was watching?
|
| 00:51:59 | >> From this great state of
california --,
>> you made "the candidate"
about a sort of bobby
kennedyesque
candidate.
|
| 00:52:09 | >> I felt the political system
was producing candidates
that were more by cosmetic
rather than substance.
|
| 00:52:15 | >> Change ties.
|
| 00:52:16 | >> Why?
|
| 00:52:18 | >> Afterwards,, ellele kennedy,
his widow, told you she didn't
like it.
|
| 00:52:22 | >> Keep your fingers interlaced.
|
| 00:52:23 | You got that?
|
| 00:52:25 | >> When I ran into ethel
kennedy, she said, well, I was
not a fan of your film.
|
| 00:52:30 | I said that's okay.
|
| 00:52:31 | She said, you know, because you
seem to have a dim view of
,
I said, well, it's not bright,
let's put it that way and she
said, well, it is the highest
calling.
|
| 00:52:42 | >> Do you still have a dim view
of politics?
|
| 00:52:44 | >> It's so dim, it's almost
black.
|
| 00:52:46 | It's pretty grim right now.
|
| 00:52:48 | I mean I'm so depressed to think
that this country wi,th all of
its potential could reduce
itself to games
being played with what feels
like the dialogue is being done
with stone-age tools.
|
| 00:53:01 | It's really depressing to think
that instead of an exchange of
ideas between two different ways,
of thinking, you've just got a
war zone.
|
| 00:53:09 | I just find it depressing.
|
| 00:53:11 | >> And you can see more of my
interview with robert redford at
com this week where he
reveals the big lie that
affected his entire filmmaking
career.
|
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>>> while washington focused on ,
the political brinksmanship on
capitol hill, a far more
dangerous drama continues to
play out in the middle east.
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| 00:56:15 | I spoke exclusively to one key
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